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had a interesting day at the field today. it started of great, woe up in a good mood ate two delicious eggs sandwiches before i went to the field to fly my helis an planes. i started off with my rush 750, i love this machine it is my first 700. Anyway i was about 3 mins into the flight flips, rolls, inverted pyrowing climb-outs just having fun with the rush. Then all of a sudden im losing headspeed while inverted about 15 feet off the ground. So i flip it over and watch her fall hoping i have enough headspeed for a flare, the input a gave for the flare seemed to work a little though it hit the ground with a crack. As i walked out to retrieve my poor rush my walked turned into a run as i noticed wisps of smoke start to rise. I ran up to the smoking rush expecting to a perforated lipo wreaking havoc on my air frame only to find a completely charged CC ice2 120 hv esc completely destroyed from its apparent spontaneous combustion. The crack was a blade striking the boom on impact bending the boom and chipping my rail 716 blades. the landing gear suffered some damage as well. there was only charred pieces and melted plastic that one would not recognize as a speed control. I am wondering if i should worry about the cc ice2 100 amp controller in my gobby 500. Should i start replacing my cc controllers with HW controllers? I really dont want to spend a lot of money on a controller thats just going to burn my helis to the ground.

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

08-21-2016 08:24 AM
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LaDon

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Fort Dodge .Ia

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I would send it to castle. I am not sure but I think they will trade the ice for an edge for a smaller amount of money than a new one. The edge is way better. As far as going to a completely fire proof esc it don't exist. All can and have burnt

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08-21-2016 03:02 PM
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ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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I'm not too happy with CC ATM either after an internal BEC failure on my edge light 75.
The repair cost for my 500 are swaying me to consider a different brand of ESC.

If anybody has alternate recommendations for a ESC with logging and a Proper BEC I would appreciate it.

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08-21-2016 03:26 PM
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ICUR1-2

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Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

you over rated all your controllers except the 750. why not have used a 160 amp just curious

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08-21-2016 04:04 PM
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Heliman

panama city beach FL

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Well im using the align bl 750 motor not as hot as a scorpion or vertigo. Figured it would work fine and it did for several month with no issues. never came down hotter then 145 degrees and i saw nothing in the logs of past flights to warent concern. i honestly thought it would be a good match.

and about the others- Good deals i could not pass up. but i stil wory about the cc on the goby the amp spikes are a little high. mikado scorpion hk111 1100 kv.

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

08-21-2016 04:39 PM
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conbones

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panama city beach FL

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i tried to use my 75 light on my trex 500 the internal bec was not up to the task for the mini servos i was useing. It wasnt even good enough to power 3 kds d215's and 1 9257 on the 380 had to use a cc10 amp bec. need a 20 amp for the 500.

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

08-21-2016 04:50 PM
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ICUR1-2

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thanks for the advice wish I had used a seperate bec now.
I was thinking of the 10 amp cc bec?
The 20 amp would be better choice then ?

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08-21-2016 05:04 PM
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Heliman

panama city beach FL

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yep the twenty amp is the one you need the ten amp is a little too small for 4 digital mini servos and fbl controler. They will pull to many amps and a brown out can happen.

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

08-21-2016 05:11 PM
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LaDon

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I would use a 20 amp myself if we used a bec. I use reciever packs straight into hv servos. Lot less to go wrong. I know there are arguments in all directions but this way has not ever failed. Bec way has so I just don't use them. Keeps it simple too

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08-21-2016 05:12 PM
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Heliman

panama city beach FL

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i use packs in my glo and gas planks and they do seem more reliable but for me not having to charge another battery nudges me towards the external bec.

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

08-21-2016 05:23 PM
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ICUR1-2

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I can see the advantages of going HV. it's too expensive an option for me, maybe when I upgrade my servos.
but for a 500 using 4 servos the internal bec should have been up to task or don't include it.
Now I think all CC ESC internal BEC's are crap and won't be buying CC ESC anymore, not a very good business decision on their part.

Now if I was flying a 550 or 600 where there is a place to put a RX battery Then I would I find it the safest to power the RX before the ESC.

Maybe I'll say screw it and get a couple of 2s 1000's for the rx and upgrade the cyclic servos to HV since the tail already is

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08-21-2016 06:30 PM
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Dawiev

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Middle East

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Please read the CC spec sheets carefully to understand what they call a 10 or 20A BEC. Look for the continuous draw value and also see the effect of the input volts.

IMHO, a Rush with a 120A ESC is borderline at best. It is summer? There is no airflow round the ESC and no fan? Add CC internal BEC to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster.... as proven here.

At least add an Ultraguard, if you will continue with a BEC setup.

08-22-2016 03:25 AM
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Heliman

panama city beach FL

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Dawiev
yes i have a optiguard installed worked beautifully and yes it is summertime here in the sunshine state. yes there is airflow no i was not using the internal bec was using a very nice external bec and the optiguard backup. There was no issue with the motor and bec combination on this ship until it went up in flames.

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

08-22-2016 05:22 AM
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Dawiev

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Hi, the ducts flow over the motor, but I doubt there is much air moving in the nose area? I have often contemplated to cut some into the nose, so it is directed at the ESC.

Then again, the HW runs so cool, I don't think it is needed.

08-22-2016 06:31 AM
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Ronald Thomas

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The bigger issue is to find out WHY it failed. If the motor shorted and killed the ESC, you would need to look other places for replacement (just an example). Without knowing why, it is hard to justify any expenditure, especially if they very same thing could happen again...

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08-22-2016 07:13 PM
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Heliman

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see now you have me paranoid about my motor. Well i know a guy who just joined a synergy team and has two 700 sized CC motors he cant use. Think ill hit em up for one. I dont think the motor was the problem though. the esc was a ice2 and from what ive read it was only a mater of time before it roasted. its nothing new to castle. I have been wanting to bump the headspeed up on the rush anyway, i have an excuse now. Read good things about the phoenix edge 160hv it has logging witch i like a lot would have considered a talon but for some reason they upgraded the talons with a more capable internal bec but neglected to give it logging functions. doesnt make any sense to me.

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

08-23-2016 04:35 AM
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Heliman

panama city beach FL

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Dawiev
it may not have been directly under vent but i dont believe its a bad spot. though more vent holes in the right spots are a good idea.
what size HW are you using? Are you flying a rush?
i am happy with the HW 120hv i have. so far the only thing i dont like is that it doesnt have logging. i will use external gov when i can so gov functions not that important to me.

Rush 750, cc120hv, vbar silverline
Agile 550, HW120hv, vbar silverline
goblin 500, cc100, ikon
Devil380, cc75lite, minivbar

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