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Ace Dude

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Did you go through all of Nick's videos on the CGY-750? I found them very helpful.

Go to YouTube and search on "cgy750 v2.0" there are several videos there. Pasting the link only shows one video.

  

08-16-2016 04:53 AM
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old nitroman

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Naples florida

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when got back into the hobby, never even seen a fbl unit, friend said to get an ikon,and I'm not that good with computers, but I was able to setup my first ship, took my time and did what the manual says, easy page by page, was done in about 30 mins, flew perfect. now I have 9 ikons and very happy with them. just my 2 cents

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08-16-2016 05:09 AM
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Dr.Ben

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Richmond, VA, USA

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One option is to look in the funfly section here on RR and find a regional event near you. I've driven 6hrs round trip in the distant past to get help (not gyro stuff, but heli related) from the best. Correct advice is priceless. Someone at a funfly will be able to find what was causing your 750 to fly incorrectly. Or......put a new post up here asking for anyone within striking distance of you who has a 750. I'd do it myself if I weren't 11 hours away. There is nothing wrong with the gyro. Earlier generation firmware was way more complex and flew suboptimally. V2.0 firmware places the flight performance of the 750 easily on par with the other top systems on the market. Its tuning parameters closely mimic other systems on the market (response "style", cyclic rate (like "agility", etc. The gyro won both the F3C and F3N 2016 nationals. Any FBL system has a learning curve, and if you're new then patience is in order regardless of the chosen system to achieve optimum results. I was far from done with helping you, but you bailed and put the gyro up for sale before I could solve your issues. Ask Anthony here on RR how long I'll work until success is achieved, and his problem wasn't even the gyro......

As for a model flying like a flybar, VBar does indeed have paddle sim, but the reality is that if you want your model to have a fbl controller and fly like a flybar, you would do better to just stick with a flybar because nothing can truly mimic electronically what a flybar does does because a 3 axis gyro is always a reactive control system; a flybar is real time. Flybar feel is quite unique and still preferred by some folks (though an ever-dwindling market minority), and that's ok. Flybarless control systems just happen to yield flight performance that is unattainable from a flybar, and for my money well worth the effort and learning curve.

I did do the editing for the 750's 1.31 and 1.4 manuals. Japan wrote the Jenglish, and I fixed the grammar and made the sentences work. I only briefly reviewed the v2.0 manual and had to do less with it because the 3D menu is so vastly simplified. With its current firmware, on average it takes about 15 minutes to get a 750 set up in a model once servo arms are squared up and linkages attached.

Ben Minor

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08-16-2016 05:15 AM
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GimbalBishop

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Tacoma,Wa - USA

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My honest opinion on ease of setup is brain/ikon. I am partial to vbar neo but flown brain and its super easy.

Greg Dyck Team Xpert USA, https://vimeo.com/178771369 https://youtu.be/bZrSRDqYSAY https://youtu.be/WXbPnOELsRI https://youtu.be/YKShXJLBPH0

08-16-2016 05:33 AM
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BK479

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Austin IN.

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First off thanks for all the info its good stuff and yes i watched all the videos on set up over and over and over i had a guy pm me last night and asked what mine was doing and i told him and he said his and a friend of his is doing the same thing with v2 on there's.

But its not the unit that is bad it is my lack of knowledge on FBL units.
I had a lot of people tell me to just learn on the one i have now.

08-16-2016 11:58 AM
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n8rloves2fly

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omaha,ne USA

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Not sure how to do the quote thing... But well said as always.it's great to get help even if the other persons not good at it, two brain are better than one. If you don't need to adjust links <15 min, and I'm not a computer guy, watch video and take notes, kinda like school. Then set it up and delete it to help with knowing what you just did because it goes fast.
Still have flybars, easy to set up.
Congrats Futaba on the big wins!!

08-16-2016 01:22 PM
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Ace Dude

rrProfessor

USA

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Might also be helpful if you can post some video of the issue you're experiencing.

After upgrading to v2.0 my heli is flying better than ever.

  

08-16-2016 01:23 PM
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GimbalBishop

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Tacoma,Wa - USA

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Now here's something i haven't seen anyone say, maybe i missed it though. CGY 750 is the hardest to set up on the market. It's an amazing unit but defiantly not something I'd recommend to learn fbl set up and tuning. What are you having issues with exactly?

Greg Dyck Team Xpert USA, https://vimeo.com/178771369 https://youtu.be/bZrSRDqYSAY https://youtu.be/WXbPnOELsRI https://youtu.be/YKShXJLBPH0

08-16-2016 03:01 PM
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don s

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Chesapeake, VA

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On the CGY, I don't even need the manual to do basic setups anymore, but I'm not on V2 either.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

08-16-2016 03:14 PM
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Dr.Ben

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Richmond, VA, USA

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The set up steps for 2.0 mirror other units.

Assign the SBus channels.

Choose which swash combination gets the servos all moving the right way.

In swash rate set pitch as per the size of the model as specified in the manual.

In pitch rate set your collective range.

Cyclic rate defaults at 300 d/s. Adjust that to suit your preference. Agility by another name is the same animal.

Flight tuning has a Response Style. Higher is more robotic; lower is more fluid. I can't make that any simpler.

Rudder gyro set the servo pulse width and endpoints and adjust the angular rate for max piro rate if you like. The are stop adjustments in the expert menu if needed. Nothing different, difficult, or new here.

Governor menu is a further simplified version that has its roots in the GV-1. All you have to do is set the limits and tell the gyro whether it's a nitro model or electric (high pole count or low) and set gear ratio and then match the rpm in the governor to the one in the transmitter.

You have to do this stuff with any FBL unit. There are advanced menus in there for those that want to finely tune for specialized situations, but for the vast majority of people, default settings work fine. I can solve idiosyncratic, model specific questions on a case by case basis. I can count the ones like that I've had to address since 2.0 was released on maybe one hand. The 750 works. Pretty much every system out there now works. They all set up pretty much the same way because PID theory and execution are all done about the same way with names changed to protect the innocent. It comes down to whether you want a wizard on a computer screen, menus on a transmitter screen, a poker tool on a little box, or different colored lights on the box to fly through the exact same kind of menus in a different form factor.

Ben Minor

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08-16-2016 03:53 PM
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Ace Dude

rrProfessor

USA

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Now here's something i haven't seen anyone say, maybe i missed it though. CGY 750 is the hardest to set up on the market. It's an amazing unit but defiantly not something I'd recommend to learn fbl set up and tuning. What are you having issues with exactly?
The v2.0 software is a significant improvement over earlier versions in ease of setup and tuning.

  

08-16-2016 04:34 PM
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banshee rider

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n.e. illinois

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DR BEN
You just explained more stuff in your last post
Than I understood about the CGY750 after reading the instructions
numerous times and messing with the unit for hours
When I tried to set up mine the first time
which was also my first FBL unit

Once I was shown in person hands on what was what
and what it was for it became very simple at least for me

Some of us just don't GET IT from the written word at times
in a instruction booklet

I am lucky that I know a sponsored Futaba pilot that I can pester
the hell out of that has a lot of patience most of the time

or I would have been in the same boat as BK479

I consider everybody on here that uses Futaba products to be very fortunate to have you on board here myself included

But this place is still just the written word which can be confusing to some of us
when we are trying to wrap our minds around something new

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

08-16-2016 04:35 PM
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Dr.Ben

rrMaster

Richmond, VA, USA

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I agree with that. It's easy to write something you understand when you're the one writing about what you already inderstand.

When the next generation Futaba FBL unit comes along I'll argue vehemently for a clean slate manual that avoids complexity. In the current manual you can see where we tried to simplify such as with the very plainly worded definitions of things like Style and so forth, but that simplicity gets lost in the rest of the forest that was written before myself and Nick had direct input. I carry my chainsaw to cut through that to get to the heart of the problem when and as needed by folks. I'm just glad the gyro itself is now working killer good. The rest is easy after engineering is up to speed.

Ben Minor

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08-16-2016 05:10 PM
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Richardmid1

rrProfessor

Leeds, England

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The only reason my flybars were prised out of my hands was the BeastX as it felt the most flybarred like so maybe that might be up your street. No computer needed, you just need to know your alphabet and not be colour blind to set one up! Tried vbar but too robotic and vague, played forever with settings and did get some kind of flybar feel but it didn't like it and would wobble during fast inputs.

60% of the time, it works every time!

08-16-2016 05:48 PM
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Robert "Full" Montee

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Fredericksburg, Virginia

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RcHeliNation did a great podcast on FBL PID Control Loops.
It is Episode 133. http://www.rchelination.com/rchn-v-2-0-ep133-pid-101/
Perhaps this might help some who would like to hear it, instead of read it.

Robert "Full" Montee | Team Synergy | Team Futaba

08-16-2016 08:07 PM
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ticedoff8

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Morgan Hill, CA. USA

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I have flown the Align 3GX, Skookum 540 and 720 (with GPS) and am now using the MSH Brain.

By far, the easiest and smoothest has been the MSH Brain

It was also the easiest to setup. The defaults work for almost everything.
It certainly does not require a PHD in Computer Science to get the heli off the bench and into the air.

You can buy an optional Bluetooth dongle that will fit any of the Brain (old & new) that allows for connection to a laptop, Andriod and iPhone.

The Brain 2 HD / BT has Bluetooth built in, on/off switch and a direct connection to a LiPo / LiFe battery

The Auto-Level and Rescue features are compatible with all Brains and is pretty cool if you are a beginner

The 2nd best thing about them is the price.
The Brain 1 is still being sold and is is great unit - and less the $100.

I current have the Brain "1" on my Goblin 380, Trex 600E Pro DFC, Trex 600 Nitro (DFC head) and my Trex 700 Nitro (with 3-bladed head & tail).

I wouldn't trade the MSH gyros for anything on the market today

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08-16-2016 09:40 PM
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BK479

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Austin IN.

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So i gave a friend a trex 600N dfc a couple weeks ago and he got a FBL unit installed the software on the computer and set it up and it flys fine way better then mine but it is a clone fbl unit holds very well with no bounce or drifting and easy to set up i like it i am now wondering how well the name brand one does. I think i have made up my mind on what to get.

08-16-2016 10:18 PM
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ticedoff8

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Morgan Hill, CA. USA

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IMHO: The clones are bad on so many levels and I don't want to start a rant.

But, primarily, it is quality and support.
You typically don't get either one from a Clone.

As an example, the guys at MSH invested upwards of $30,000 on the Bluetooth dongle and getting the iOS application into the Apple App Store.
If they sell 500 of those ($60 for the dongle & $10 for the App) they break even.
But, I don't think there are that many guys with Brain / iKON that will buy the BT dongle and App.

They may never recoup the investment, but they did it anyway
If someone pirated that dongle and sold it at 1/2 the cost, why would MSH bother doing any development work to make their product better in the future?

MSH has released several versions of code for their gyros in the last year, and each version gets more features and more solid.
They have a forum on the "other site" where the owner, the developers and the distributers post daily.

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08-16-2016 10:34 PM
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BK479

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Austin IN.

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I agree I am wanting the name brand so I have good support. But for him what he has is good enough he is just learning to fly helicopter but plane's on the other hand he has been flying since he was 6 years old and he's 25 now and he is as good as the pros I don't know why he not sponsored

08-16-2016 10:47 PM
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kdh77

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Moore, Oklahoma USA

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+1 for the Brain/IKON. Easy to install and setup and flies great. Just don't trust the rescue on a nitro...

Take off is optional, Landing is mandatory!

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