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Aaron29

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi...s/#74d507b04365

You cannot simultaneously support Hillary and the 2A. It doesn't work. Stop trying to, and pick a side. If "you're with her" that's fine. That's your choice and your right as an American. But don't also pretend to support the 2A. It's disingenuous.

But so is she. She denies her own history on the 2A. She never met a gun restriction she didn't like. She'd overturn the 2A given the power to.

08-11-2016 09:42 PM
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spaceman spiff

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If "you're with her" that's fine.
Messing with my rights is not fine.

You can not teach a crab to walk straight.

08-11-2016 09:59 PM
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dilberteinstein

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She'd overturn the 2A given the power to.
What stops them is not the law. It is their lack of creativity with their wording.

But just because they haven't hit the right formula yet, doesn't mean they won't come up with that sinister idea.

If they are successful in this, there will be no turning back.

90% of life is "showing up"

08-11-2016 10:16 PM
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GREYEAGLE

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Just- name It the Peanut Shooter or a Bean : Put a Bean in their Can

Then re- write the type's and sizes of Bean's

Them Lima ones spin Topsy turvy & Seen one go around a corner

One WORD = NEVER

greyeagle

08-11-2016 11:41 PM
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Jerry K

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She will do it by executive order and no one will have the balls to challenge her on it and will roll over saying it is in the best interest for the country. Then her picks for the SCOTUS will support her EO's and we will be DONE as a country.

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

08-11-2016 11:53 PM
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Aaron29

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Was it the Roman Republic or Roman Empire? Depends what year you are looking at it. It could be we're in the transition to Empire.

Very similar circumstances. The senate lost its power.

Checks and balances. We have none if the SCOTUS is just a pet on a leash and congress never impeaches or challenges orders.

We do the constitution disservice.

Heck, what's going on with war powers? The power to go to war was supposed to belong to congress. We somehow lost that fight, probably without a whimper, before I was even born. Why is one person able to get us into so much conflict?

And what about the issuance of currency? Again this power was supposed to reside in congress. How did it fall into the hands of a few non-elected, non-government oligarchs from the federal reserve? Again, we somehow lost that fight, before all of us were born.

What happened to following the constitution? I think the answer to that is a question. Did we ever truly follow it? Seems like it's been in continual erosion for a century. The question is, where were the watchmen? I suppose a future generation will ask that of us if we allow this current path we're on to culminate.

It truly is just a piece of paper, if not guarded by a society of informed patriots. Just a piece of paper. But the implication of that is more detrimental to government than the people. If the constitution is what gives men power over other men, the power to tax, judge, issue currency, go to war, etc...and these men, who wield power over other men, judge other men, tax other men, issue currency, and put us into conflict, will not themselves follow it? What does that mean? By what justification do they wield their power? And by what excuse do the governed allow it? It is the watchmen's fault if they do.

If there is to be legitimate government, it must be based upon SOMETHING. Otherwise it's just a group of men controlling other men without their consent.

I propose the thing we base governance on MUST be the constitution, or the chaos of mob rule will drag us back into the failed institutions that have been the way of governing for most of human existence. The way of the masses has been bondage for most of human history, and we may yet end up there again. If that is allowed to happpen, the only way to free the shackles would be to have the philosophical revolutions that led to bloody revolutions all over again, at some point in the future of humanity. That is an unacceptable thing to put a future generation through. We judge the founding fathers for what they gave us. Everything they did right. And everything they did wrong. But a future generation - how will WE be judged?

My guess is we will be judged as the failed watchmen. We will be seen as those who were given much by previous generations, but did little for future ones. Failed watchmen.

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RM3

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im investing in ammo....

thats the only thing they can effectively control at this point.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

08-12-2016 12:18 AM
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Aaron29

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Under UK style rules, that won't be allowed. You'll have to turn it in.

At some point, you have to realize just what's on the line.

There's a reason so few jump through hoops in the UK to get a firearm. It's heavily controlled.

How anyone can think this is compatible with "shall not be infringed" strikes me.

If we're truly ready to abolish the second, put it up for a vote. Oh right. They can't do it that way. It doesn't stand a chance. Doesn't mean they will let a pesky little constitution stand in their way.

They have grown too bold. It's not just the second, but it certainly culminates with it. Wake up. Look at my last post on how far away from the principles we've already gone, and consider, just in our own lifetimes, how much further we've strayed: NSA spying, holding citizens without trial, diluting your voting power through mass immigration, etc.

At some point you have to realize what's on the line.

Hoarding ammo isn't going to get you out of this.

For the sake of the Republic, VOTE. It might go under anyway, but at least try.

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Jerry K

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This is an example of what the Anti's post.

http://www.betsyriot.com/

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

08-12-2016 12:55 AM
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GREYEAGLE

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If you really want to see Politicians go ABSOLUTELY WIG Nutt's :

Drop ONE RIGHT in THEIR LAP : Yes You Can LEGALLY Confiscate GUNN's !

Start a Mega Lobby Group : To drive legislation to ( YES ) ONLY certain individual's CAN LEGALLY OPEN CARRY and OPEN PURCHASE

Matter of FACT - If you can Pick it Up You Can Carry IT

AND YES YOU CAN Confiscate ALSO !!!

You wana see EM Runn over the Hill ?

It is PERFECTLY LEGAL for A Non Citizen of the United States to Purchase Fire Arm's in the USA . It's For Sporting Purposes

For Shooting Pigeon's. YEs : You do NOT have too be a Citizen

Tell the Politician to TAKE THOSE AWAY !!!

greyeagle

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RM3

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Hoarding ammo isn't going to get you out of this.
For the sake of the Republic, VOTE. It might go under anyway, but at least try
thats why hoarding ammo is important... cause it will all go down, voting will not save the republic... only a full scale revolution will.

the military will shatter into three factions, one will be loyal to the government, one will fight for the citizen (cause they belive in it) and the other will run and hide (the supporting positions such as cooks, admin, mechanics, medical, commo, most will run)

its too late folks, what we are seeing is the revealing of the beast and its minions...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

08-12-2016 03:46 AM
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Aaron29

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If that is your position, then I propose to you that if you will not vote, you are choosing violence.

I see the vote as a way to avoid all this civil war stuff. I know there are many who will resist. I feel most of them will die. Most of the upper leadership is already beholden to the elite and you won't get much, if any, of the citizen supporting leadership you speak of. Just some rank and file guys who wanted to make General but never did. And it would be a tad unpopular, given the polls. This is something that needs to be won first on the battlefield of IDEAS, not arms. The rebellion would be crushed along with many, and the violence would simply be used as an excuse to pass more laws that violate rights. You think it's bad now? It'd be 1984 after the crushed rebellion. You'd accelerate what ought to be a slow decline over a generation or more.

I would not choose to go there, if a simple vote for a bombastic ass can avoid it. Where you are talking about going is far, far worse. The mindset of people who recklessly say that they are ready for that is evidence that they are not ready for that.

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RM3

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its already too late...

voting I will do... but I no longer believe my vote has true value, it really is nothing more than a lie to keep the public believing that they have a say so... its obvious based on what has happened over the last 100 years, especially the last 40 that nothing is changing despite who we elect at any any level.

sorry, but its obvious this election will go to hillary, its already been planned that way, if you cant see the corruption in the DOJ, FBI, NSA, CIA and the influence money has over or constitution within the three branches of government, you have your head in the sand.

only wikileaks can save us now...and even then i have my doubts it will sway enough brain dead americans to vote in favor of the truth, constitution and freedom.

we can vote all we want... but nothing is going to change what has already been preordained.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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dilberteinstein

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RM3

sorry, but its obvious this election will go to hillary, its already been planned that way, if you cant see the corruption in the DOJ, FBI, NSA, CIA and the influence money has over or constitution within the three branches of government, you have your head in the sand.
only wikileaks can save us now...and even then i have my doubts it will sway enough brain dead americans to vote in favor of the truth, constitution and freedom.
I totally agree.

Hillary has already survived what others would go to jail for.

90% of life is "showing up"

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RM3

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Hillary has already survived what others would go to jail for.
jail would be putting it lightly...both Hillary and Bill have survived what others have been sentenced to death for...

Our nation has reached the very edge of the precipice... its in gods hands now boys...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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Jerry K

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Our nation has reached the very edge of the precipice... its in gods hands now boys...
Amen to that!!!

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

08-14-2016 01:39 AM
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GREYEAGLE

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Apologize in advance : For a slight sideway :

OBTAIN in your hands : Your LOCAL Middle School or High School Rules for the Student. CODE OF CONDUCT - GESTAPO RULES

School's Handbook given to Student for Conduct - POLICY

What you are Looking for is WHAT is NOT ALLOWED - Un Permissible - Against Policy or School rules. THE NO rules

In regard to Clothing or Jewry far as symbol. Even if it sewn into the butt of their britches as a decoration

GEt the BOOK - THEN Find out WHO's SIGNATURE or Board members or Principal : Some where their are Names

BACK TO SHOOTING

On my honor I will do my best to do my duty too ----

greyeagle

08-14-2016 02:03 AM
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irocu88

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that won't be allowed. You'll have to turn it in.
Yea...haha, it was all stolen the night before. Regardless of what law they change, I will turn in nothing....unless it is one round at a time, bullets first.

Caliber 90 FT os91 c-spec
Caliber 50, OS50 hyper
Caliber 30 OS37

08-14-2016 04:10 AM
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GREYEAGLE

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DO You Know :That::: >>

It was Vice President > Joe Biden in his EARLY YEAR's prior to be the Brass Pot Boy :

His Claim to Political Fame : His Political LAUNCH

That actually Labeled the So- Called Black Plastic - Arkalite - the small caliber - one pull one shot a ASSAULT WEAPON - Because it is BLACK and Look's MEAN .

YES it was JOE BIDEN - Village Idiot - Balder than a QUe Ball if he didn't get Hair Plugs

That is the LAST THING AMERICAN's NEED to be FOCUSED on >

THE VERY LAST THING > To keep you mentally Busy paying Gun TAXES and Permits--

Public Worried About loosing their Minny Blankets

Bout as Stupid as the City Water Boy weighing 400 Lb's at a Neighbors Hot Dog Burn -Near 3/4 Block away - Comes on to my property { ON a SUNDAY after NOON }
Chew's my Gal out for running a Weed Blower.

THAT WAS GRACE : NEXT THREE WEEKS for the WHOLE parish Gov't was a ORDEAL 10 Hr's a DAY right down to the Dog catcher and meter reader's and City Council . About 40 Phone numbers -

Harpooned that Dumb White Whale - Hot Dog and ALL !!

greyeagle

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spaceman spiff

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Yea...haha, it was all stolen the night before.
Damn, we both have bad luck. Mine fell out of the boat.

If i recall corectly Conneticut had a registration a few years back. It is estimated fewer than 10% showed up. Lots of boating accidents there.

You can not teach a crab to walk straight.

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