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revmix

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what the safety code is for then especially on AMA flying field!

if you're alone then it's your game but with the crowd around stuff matters
the guy got lucky that did not end up statistics

08-14-2016 12:46 AM
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heliraptor10

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So by my tally
I have 10 who agree with a net (just for center stage)

At least 3 that suggest increased pilot caution

And 3 who say more distance should do it

Though there were many that suggested various combos.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-14-2016 12:49 AM
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it's rather for airplanes than helis
no protection against flying debris near the spectators
if the heli operates on the runway then more time to react
if close by then body armor or good reflex if lacking any other out of control catch

08-14-2016 12:56 AM
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quazar1

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aircraft captured in net

Watch at YouTube

Not a heli but large model.

08-14-2016 12:41 PM
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Dan Minick

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Cool, I wonder if it comes with a trailer?

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08-14-2016 09:45 PM
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VinceY

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For the right price!

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08-15-2016 02:35 AM
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icanfly

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reading all the replies on this and other sites and watching how you all think the problem can be mitigated, I will say from past experience the pilot was not well versed in tail loss scenarios although the spotter may have gotten in the way of him seeing the heli all the way through its trajectory. At one point when the heli is above the crowd some pitch appears to have been applied.

From my own experience with both th and spacial awareness regarding a heli flying above and or behind you, you have to be prepared to make split second decisions to dump or to turn yourself around and follow through sometimes blindly too. I know from what I saw of the heli as soon as it hit the tail and you hear those (edit): something fail like the belt it was time to stir the sticks while hitting throttle hold and right the heli but do not give it pitch, center the pitch and land or send it away from harm. Sounds easier than irl but playing with mini helis like a 450 will teach you not to panic but to react as quick as the heli is moving while trying to stay one step ahead of what its doing. Front line pilots have to learn to shut the crowd out and do their own thing while paying absolute full attention to the heli at all times. Think flying circuits while piro-ing madly like the tail rotor was gone, and yes it's not easy to keep up with the heli (you have to give inputs into sections of orientation as the heli swings around and around, not input into all orientations).

How was it a pilot with so much experience and all those previous moves froze in a time of necessity? The heli took a whole 2 seconds before impact, with a 450 it would have been half a second with maybe a tenth to save it.

Anyway, a "net" yes but not for the crowd, a heli can go over a net. I would offer better more economical solutions than any mentioned.

I didn't like how the pilot froze and allowed the heli to remain in negative pitch until it partially stalled before impact.

There are practical solutions to the problems of interest, but you'd have to pay me to tell you what they are, consultant fees forthwith due.

As soon as the tail stripped it should have been th, 0 pitch, stir the sticks, and righted away from the crowd, PERIOD. The pilot may lack in rescue reaction skills, what happens when you don't crash a lot (thank "rescue" function possibly) and when you don't fly mini and or micro helis, and disposable clones that come apart mid air at that, lol. All those piro-ing maneuvers before hand and he can't save it from entering the crowd? makes no sense.

08-15-2016 02:37 PM
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dunkonu23

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A couple of years ago when I was a team manager, Santiago Panzardi and I tried to draft a set of guidelines to be used for pilot safety at events. We started this because of the death of Roman Pirozek. We thought people would be accepting. Guess what? The guidelines were universally panned by the pilots at Santiago's (Chago's) event in Dayton.

The reasons for nets are many and the reasons not to do nets are nothing but excuses. NOTHING, but NOTHING should be spared for the safety of spectators. One has to realize that some of the people in the crowd (not many, grant you) are unaware of the risks in flying. I have been to many noon time demos and One competitions where folks constantly breach the spectator line at the sides of center stage. One time, I saw two kids do it and guess what? Nobody but me reacted. Their parents didn't know to stop them and nobody in the crowd stopped them, either.

Safety is not something to be dismissed simply because nothing really bad has happened. Safety should be a proactive activity. Unfortunately, in our hobby and in other sports where danger is inherent, safety is reactive. In auto racing, look at the changes that took place after the death of a prominent driver? Keyword: AFTER.

It's unfortunate but resting on the laurels of events past simply doesn't cut it either. People should realize that whomever got hit by a helicopter were extremely lucky. Some of the responses by people indicate to me that I am right: Nothing will happen until somebody gets badly injured or killed.

Scott

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08-15-2016 08:22 PM
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revmix

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any time the tail rotor [or the main for that matter] hits something then automatically flip TH to take away the torque & possible to control the cyclic, in this case try hover-auto [at 3D more than enough rotor RPM] & controlled crash land before reaching the crowd

08-15-2016 09:42 PM
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icanfly

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a heli without tail is the same as one in a piro flip, you can do that you can right it and even land. In the vid the heli begins upright then takes a roll bottom to the crowd with negative pitch. Were thoughts of getting hit by his heli running through the pilots head? and why'd it have so much - pitch for the whole time.

In a Pro golfing event I watched yesterday for half an hour spectators were fenced off the fairways and on one hole the pro had to go over them slightly to the right to land on the putting green. Thing is, everyone thinks they won't be the one to get hit, that the pros are so good nothing will enter crowd space, that is until they get hit and become one of the statistics. How about BAJA where spectators are mere feet from vehicles doing 60mph in races?

Pros are no fault free and you should be on your toes at all times when a pilot is skirting doom flying extremely close to the ground, it can, will, and does happen except usually no crowd is in harms way outside of events.

08-15-2016 11:34 PM
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mr dan

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This is actually a good thread. Let me ask all those who want this safety net and have been calling for one.
Had nothing happened this year, would this topic been brought up by those of you who are so concerned about this safety issue?

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08-15-2016 11:37 PM
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Jason Cummings

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Not that it's here or there, but it was not a torque tube heli. Unless MSH has a new tail drive.

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08-16-2016 12:16 AM
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dunkonu23

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Yep, I called for nets. Nothing happened then, nothing will happen now. It will take bad injury or death.

Right after a team I was managing was disbanded, one of the former pilots was hit by his own helicopter. He was cut and bruised pretty badly. So, while nets would not protect the pilot or spotter, the system Chago and I came up with may have prevented that accident.

As has been stated before, nets are not infallible. They are preventative measures like brushing and flossing your teeth--there are no guarantees you won't get a cavity, but you reduce the risk. Nets reduce the risk.

Scott

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08-16-2016 01:00 AM
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heliraptor10

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Jason

That's a very good point. I just assumed it was a torque tube by the nature of the failure.

Now I'm really curious what happened to that tail.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-16-2016 02:05 AM
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gologo

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Now I'm really curious what happened to that tail.
The very first thing I noticed when it popped back up and started heading
our way, was the belt dangling by about a foot or so, off the back of the
boom; sure looked like a belt to me!

08-16-2016 02:25 AM
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heliraptor10

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Damn...
If the belt snapped, that's crazy.

Every Heli is different, but wouldn't that point to the belt being too tight, as well as the tail blades?

I didn't see the Heli shudder with impact, so I don't think the boom hit hard. So shouldn't the tail blades have feathered a little?

I guess it doesn't matter much.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-16-2016 02:52 AM
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icanfly

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Not that it's here or there, but it was not a torque tube heli. Unless MSH has a new tail drive.
made the edit to my first post in italic (second paragraph fifth line in is the "edit" ).

08-16-2016 03:05 AM
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Dan Minick

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That's a very good point. I just assumed it was a torque tube by the nature of the failure.
You must not fly Synergy Torque Tubes hahaha

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08-16-2016 03:09 AM
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heliraptor10

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The only torque tubes I've had any experience with were align (and various knock offs )

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-16-2016 03:17 AM
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Jason Cummings

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The belt broke. I saw it hanging out when he carried away.

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