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gologo

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Sedalia, Mo USA

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IRCHA said nobody got stitches. But the one guy was hauled away on a stretcher and didn't return to the event until the last pilot had flown in
the night-fly. People around him said it was bleeding pretty good, sooo??

08-09-2016 03:49 AM
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dialarotor

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Traverse City, Michigan

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Good IRCHA except????

Time for a catch net at show center like 3D Masters or OHB. Major League Baseball had to get with it, time for IRCHA to do the same.

https://www.memphisnet.net/category/nets

Fireworks were a great surprise and really exciting. This was the comfortable IRCHA, sure it was hot from 1pm to 5pm the first 3 days, but that led to a lot of great night flying each evening when it was cooler.
Only 359 days until we can do it again.

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08-09-2016 11:57 AM
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Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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A high mesh fence to protect spectators is all that's needed. Doesn't need to be fancy, just something to get tangled in the blades to kill their momentum.

60% of the time, it works every time!

08-09-2016 02:18 PM
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Pistol_Pete

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Seffner, FL

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Interesting read as usual.

So...folks still get to choose where to sit or stand, correct?

Im sure if a net was in place and something still happened, somebody, somehow, would shift the blame for his own seating decision. Go figure.

In a nut shell, the closer you are the greater the risk.

There are no OEM parts made for me, so Im good further away in any event I attend.

Glad everyone is ok.

Well, maybe not 200 feet, but you get it.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

08-09-2016 02:33 PM
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Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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Heli's can still travel 200 feet, better make it 10 miles! In fact lets all stay perminantly in bomb proof bunkers!

60% of the time, it works every time!

08-09-2016 02:44 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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Silver Spring, MD by way of Sidney, Ne - USA

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Safety Officer

As my club's safety officer of 3 1/2 years, I resigned last week. During that time, I was unable to accomplish anything safety related other than buying a first aid kit (that has been stolen 3 times). I was trying to get an incompetent member banned from flying.

If you read the authority of a safety officer on the AMA website, you will realize that the safety officer is prevented from taking any direct action. It is an advisory position.

Safety at AMA is a word only, if someone has to spend a plug nickel to replace anything, the members cry like spoiled babies. Everyone is all about safety until they have to spend anything.

The only time safety will change is when someone is maimed or killed. It should not have to take that long, but it will.

This is not about IRCHA... never been, but I would love to go.

08-09-2016 02:49 PM
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Chris Bergen

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cassopolis, MI USA

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At some point you, as spectators, will have to take some accountability.

By that I mean, YOU chose to attend the event, YOU chose to watch any particular flight, YOU chose to sit as close as possible to the guys flying, KNOWING that they would be pushing the envelope to win the competition.

If YOU feel it's unsafe to be sitting there, THEN DON'T!

All of us that fly KNOW what can happen when flying a helicopter, whether it's due to a mechanical problem, electrical problem, radio interference, or pushing the boundaries of the capabilities of these machines. KNOWING that, KNOWING there's nothing to keep that heli from smacking you in the face, ONLY YOU can decide if the thrill is worth the risk...

My suggestion would be for IRCHA and AMA to post the statement that these aircraft can and will sometimes go out of control. If you don't want to take the risk of getting hit by one, leave now....

Otherwise, let those who DO decide to take that risk enjoy the thrill of being up close and personal and enjoy the thrill they derive from that...

Chris D. Bergen

08-09-2016 06:47 PM
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Dr.Ben

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Richmond, VA, USA

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There is a legal phrase for this. It's called "assumed risk".

Ben Minor

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08-09-2016 06:57 PM
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whoamis

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san francisco, ca

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Chris, won't YOU potentially lose a lot of business if a heli seriously injures or kills a spectator at a major event.

Would safety netting spoil the event? Is there any downside besides cost?

oops, bounced it!

08-09-2016 07:04 PM
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Dan Minick

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Columbus, WI

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All of us that fly KNOW what can happen when flying a helicopter
Exactly, and what about the hundreds attending IRCHA alone that do NOT fly, and have no idea?

Whats the big deal about a cheap net?

Team Synergy, Team FBL Rotors---Formerly Dyecocker1-------if its not broke...it will be!

08-09-2016 08:14 PM
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Jerry K

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Houston Area

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At some point you, as spectators, will have to take some accountability.
Chris, that is not the way our country works!!! When something bad happens it HAS to be someone else's fault, and especially if they have deep pockets.

Now, I agree with your statement 100%! I try to look into the future as far as IF something could happen to me but that comes from 40+ years working in the petrochemical industry where the word 'accident' is not in the dictionary.

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

08-09-2016 10:41 PM
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revmix

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NJ

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r/c show is not gladiator activity
the host is responsible for the crowd

08-09-2016 11:02 PM
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jhartsock3

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Greenwood, IN

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I agree there is assumed risk involved. But if you weren't at the event this year and seen some of the dumb stuff going on. Like people night flying over bean fields right behind camping and crashing next to tents where people are sleeping. Amongst other stuff. I'm all for having fun flying hard and pushing limits. But by same token there are ways to make things less dangerous. Like fly on flight line only. A larger distance from pilot to spectators. Common sense stuff. And dosnt cost a damn thing. To say I assume the risk while sleeping in a tent and have a 700 size heli wreck 5ft away in an area they shouldn't be flying in. Is dumb.

08-10-2016 12:24 AM
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ant_mb

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Delran NJ

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Heli's can still travel 200 feet, better make it 10 miles! In fact lets all stay perminantly in bomb proof bunkers!
I agree! If you want to go then go, if you want to bitch then stay home! You're all adults, if you think you are in danger then MOVE! Take your lives into your own hands.

Thanks
Anthony

08-10-2016 01:24 AM
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heliraptor10

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kokomo, in-US

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I think many of us have made it clear that we understand the risk.

We are still choosing to go.

The concern that I have, and it has been echoed, is that with rising attendance a spectator (a child, a friend, a cousin, a tag along who doesn't understand) could be seriously injured.

No one wants that to happen.
For all the moral reasons, of course, but as well because we don't want to give lawmakers any more ammo to come after us.

I'm worried about the hobby.

Signs about the dangers, and other such warnings do not reduce the risk.

They only reduce liability. And that doesn't change the outcome if a spectator were hit.
The trial would be held and judged by the media and we would be the losers.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-10-2016 01:48 AM
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Nashville

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Formerly Music City now back home in Sunny Florida

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I've been to a few IRCHA's. I would really like to see a basic net like the other big events. I am by far no safety police but the pilots do fly to close to themselves and the crowd.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool

08-10-2016 02:21 AM
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ssrobzoom

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Tn

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IRCHA has a Pilot Proficiency Program and why is it now enforced at events?
Would this be too much trouble to enforce and would give others indications on there flying abilities.

http://www.ircha.org/pilot-proficiency-program

08-10-2016 03:05 AM
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Richardmid1

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Leeds, England

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Is that like the BMFA in the UK where you need to have past a specific test to fly at public events and comps?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...YNQOKJDQqx96H8g

60% of the time, it works every time!

08-10-2016 06:14 AM
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banshee rider

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n.e. illinois

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ssrobzoom
IRCHA has a Pilot Proficiency Program and why is it now enforced at events?
Would this be too much trouble to enforce and would give others indications on there flying abilities.
http://www.ircha.org/pilot-proficiency-program
The proficiency program rating system isn't about safety
It has nothing to do with being able to fly anywhere
It is not a Test !!!!
So there is nothing to enforce !!
From IRCHA Page
Pilot in Training

IRCHA believes that in order for beginning pilots to be successful and remain in the hobby it is important to receive both guidance and assistance from an experienced pilot. IRCHA also believes the Pilot Proficieny Program (PPP) is the cornerstone to successfully progressing through the steps of the hobby.

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

08-10-2016 12:31 PM
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chas1025

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TN

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Joe Nall-No Nets
SEFF-No Nets
NEAT-No Nets

AMA-No Nets

The people who are asking about nets do not understand all of the problems involved with the idea of a net.

First
The IRCHA Jamboree is held at the AMA Facility, which is not owned by IRCHA. IRCHA cannot make any changes to the facility. The IRCHA Jamboree is held on site 4 which is now the most used flying site at AMA. Where golf carts travel is actually the runway used for many different activities at AMA. A row of large poles with a net would permanently alter the availability of site 4 for use by airplane pilots.

Second
There are a multitude of legal problems if you establish an area that creates a false sense of safety. Attorneys were consulted on this matter years ago. The legal/liability system is quite different here than in Europe. If you establish a small area that creates a sense of safety, you create a greater host of liability at all the other locations. There are spectators at all locations such as Speed and F3C/F3N, would they be no less deserving of a net in the eyes of the court?

Third
The idea that a net would be cheap is hilarious. Do you make it just 300 feet long to cover the immediate center stage or do you make it 1/2 mile long to cover the whole line, do you make it 10 feet high, do you make it 20 feet high, do you make it 50 feet high....Because in all reality the helicopters we fly go up a few hundred feet high, so you can make them any height and a helicopter could clear the net by 1 inch. Nets only give a false sense of safety.

Please drop the idea of nets. The idea, like the nets themselves, has many holes.

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