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heliraptor10

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Without being too judgemental, I at the very least, have to say Saturday was crazy.

4 people hit
2 helis crossing the flight line
(To be fair the wind was fairly gusty and blowing straight towards the spectators so I'm guessing the little Oxy got caught up in a gust. But one was a large 600-700, and it actually hit someone with a minor flesh wound as the reported result)

**** happens, I suppose.

They moved the pilot station up 40 feet or so,
And they requested that the fireworks guys get in the trailer for the remainder of the competition.

I have to wonder,
What changes, if any will we see next year?

I'm really not trying to stir things up,
But I feel like this needs to be discussed.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-08-2016 01:39 PM
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LaDon

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Personally I think pilots fly way too close to themselves. No room for error. I seen some doing stuff with the disc towards them that were so close one step and they could have touched the Heli. Way too close. One demo power hour had three guys flying and one was a 700 nitro. It was so close that when he crashed he hit one of the other pilots and he crashed his. His was out a ways. But for three of them out there they were way to close to themselves especially for not being able to watch the others.plus if I remember right no spotters to help

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08-08-2016 03:03 PM
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I want to clarify something before it gets misrepresented.

We had two incidents at the Jamboree where a pilot was injured and reported to IRCHA staff. We had one additional accident involving a golf cart and a car which was reported. Therefore we have three official incident reports which are being submitted to the AMA.

Pilot 1 had a minor accident and hit his foot. He went to the hospital for X-rays to make sure there were no fractures. He was released and returned to the event.

Pilot 2 was injured when the helicopter entered the center stage area. The pilot in control of the helicopter acted in the best possible manner and hit throttle hold immediately. This decreased the momentum and minimized the potential energy of the helicopter. The injured pilot did not want to go to the hospital, but as event director I urged him to visit the hospital to be evaluated. He returned to the field immediately after his hospital visit and watched the rest of the show.

During the IRCHA Jamboree, we have an emergency plan in place in the event of any problems. A part of this plan is having trained individuals on site during the event. At the IRCHA Jamboree, we pay an EMS provider on site each day to provide immediate coverage in the case of an accident. As many of you have noticed, we also pay to have the Delaware County Sheriff's Dept on site during the event. We do this to help provide safety and support in the event of any incidents.

We take safety very seriously at the IRCHA Jamboree. Each year the organizing committee reviews any incidents and tries to determine if there were any possible improvements that can be made. Part of some very early improvements were consideration of the standard AMA safety recommendations. The safety lines at the Jamboree all exceed the recommended AMA safety guidelines, and it has been this way for at least 10 years. In the general hobby, there are many less incidents reported by helicopter pilots. When you consider the activity level and number of flights occurring at the jamboree, statistically speaking, it is a very safe event.

To give you an example of the safety record, in over 12 years we have had 4 reported incidents that resulted in a pilot visiting the hospital. We have no reported incidents involving a spectator at the IRCHA Jamboree.

We should all be vigilant as we are in a hobby that has inherent dangers. This is the case with many hobbies. A hobby is meant to excite and thrill us when we participate. Part of the human experience is that a bit of danger naturally creates more excitement and thrill. Each time you fly, you should be aware of your surroundings, and have an emergency plan in case of an accident.

08-08-2016 03:44 PM
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LaDon

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You may be correct on the in incident part but there was several that got hit just like the pilot at center stage that didn't get hurt. Still I agree it has been pretty safe but I do think and always will think the helis flown by some are still flown way to close.

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08-08-2016 03:54 PM
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heliraptor10

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IRCHA
I appreciate the clarification.

I do not wish to defame the hobby that has been so important to me.

I also know that in the event of an incident it is often all a person can do to quickly hit the throttle hold switch.

Because of the dangerous nature of this particular beast, some people in the hobby avoid any discussion of said danger, likely because to the layperson it may seem that it just too dangerous.

I was just curious if anyone else witnessed the 2 helis cross the flight line and what their impressions were.

The number 4 ( people struck) was given to me by a volunteer monitoring the flight line. I may have mistook what he said.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-08-2016 06:10 PM
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fastflyer20

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Thanks IRCHA, overall a job well done.

I was in the area during the pilot 1 incident. Kudos, the sheriff in a 4 wheeler was on site very quickly. It was a relief to find out that it was a minor injury.

Only a little while later, and the pilot 2 incident occurred.

There is always room for "continuous improvement" after an event. It is hard to prevent some pilots from flying over their skill level at such a big event, however, I saw a few pilots that could have used a reminder.

Tom
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08-08-2016 06:29 PM
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Fastsrt

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One demo power hour had three guys flying and one was a 700 nitro. It was so close that when he crashed he hit one of the other pilots and he crashed his. His was out a ways. But for three of them out there they were way to close to themselves especially for not being able to watch the others.plus if I remember right no spotters to help
You are partially correct, yes 1 was a 700 nitro but he was not the one that crashed. The pilot of the 700 danced out of the way and kept flying. It was a 600 size that went down and the electric pilot moved and lost his. It sucks to see it happen but when the demo pilots give the crowd what they are looking for that's just part of the risk they take.

Just like announcer Nick said after the one heli went towards the crowd at center stage, let's all chill and not make a mountain out of a mole hill. The guy that got it got a cut on his leg, nothing else. It could have been worse but wasn't so no need to grow the story. Everything was handled well I think.

08-08-2016 06:29 PM
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LaDon

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I don't think anyone made a mountain out of a molehill. That could have been a lot more serious than it turned out to be. I understand the point of making it look like it was just a small deal. I just think we need to learn from it and maybe look into what we can do to fix it before something serious happens and then shuts the whole thing down. Not saying what the answer was or is but I do think some forsight would do some good

Good example is when the Nhra went to 1000ft from 1/4 mile. Sure everyone was sceptical at first but now it is working just fine. We could learn from it.

We can all say don't make it a big deal. What happens when one goes in the crowd and hits a little kid and kills him or her? It can happen

We owe it to ourselves to at least look at it

Team Jr

08-08-2016 06:53 PM
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heliraptor10

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Thank you LaDon

That's all I'm saying.

We can pat each other on the back,
And say "it could have been worse."

Or we can say,
"That was a close one, how can we make it less close next time."

IRCHA you've done a great job safety wise, and I'm sure that you are heading up discussions about next year already.

I just want to hear ideas from average pilots. It's our hobby too. And if something like what LaDon described were to happen, you can bet lawmakers will be coming after us (harder than they already are).

I've seen nets up at some shows. Surely they obscure the view, but it seems like it would be worth it to me. And while it's no "bullet proof vest" as long as the material is worthy it will at least slow the model down. Wouldn't Kevlar archery mesh be reasonably worthwhile, just enough of it to cross center stage?

(Or perhaps a custom finer mesh)

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-08-2016 07:14 PM
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classic

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How bad did it "cut his leg"? Stiches required? does Ircha cover the medical cost of these accidents when they happen?
would being a member of Ircha mean legally you could be liable if someone sues ircha because of an accident?

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

08-08-2016 07:22 PM
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LaDon

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Yeah I heard he got stitched up and then come back to finish watching. So that was good.

I do think we need to look into this but on the same time we don't need to over react and do something knee jerk. I watched a lot of good flying. I also seen a lot of disasters that luckily didn't go wrong. I do think that is happening more and more. Ppl are doing crazier stuf all the time. I am not sure we need nets. I also don't think the pilots and spotters need or should be forced into protection. It should be available if they want it tho. Especially at something like that. Even tho most would t use it

I do however think for the center stage stuff the flight line could be moved out further and not let the spectators sit out further. Will that solve it all? No but it would at least give a little more room. That is something that all clubs could easily do without spending money.

Even with that we as pilots can do our part and keep them a little farther away. 20 ft more don't hurt a thing. Sure something can still go wrong but at least it is something to try

Just somethings to think about is all

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08-08-2016 08:19 PM
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Neither Pilot 1 nor Pilot 2 required any stitches.

The IRCHA Jamboree is an AMA sanctioned event. All activities at the event are covered under AMA. IRCHA is a special interested group within the AMA.

08-08-2016 10:08 PM
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LaDon

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I was talking the spectator not the pilot.

Team Jr

08-08-2016 10:09 PM
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gologo

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I am not trying to be the 'safety police' at all, so don't want to hear that crap, but do very much agree w. LaDon and heliraptor. It is almost
inevitable that helis will come into the crowd.Just the type of flying being done almost assures that.

The Awwwww shucks, it wasn't nothing, just another close call, don't be a drama queen-type attitude about it probably will never change until a REAL
tragedy does happen, and nothing else will change either till then. Then
people will be screaming to high heaven why this or that wasn't in place to
prevent it......like everything else in life.

We were sitting 4 rows back directly in line w. the heli, and that was close enough, very lucky for those that took the direct hit. These helis
could come in under full power just as easily and that would be a TRUE
tragedy!

It was/is an excellent decision by IRCHA to move the flightline a bit
further out. And a net JUST for the centerstage area is an excellent idea,
but as mentioned, the view would probably be so obstructed, the crowd would
probably want to rip it down.

Again strongly agree w. the guys above, but something really bad will have
to happen before you see anything change.

08-08-2016 10:51 PM
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Dan Minick

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Again strongly agree w. the guys above, but something really bad will have
to happen before you see anything change.
I also agree, and have often thought the "crowd" was too close to the demo's. Its one thing for a pilot to be flying close to himself or another pilot friend, but a whole different story when he has 300 people that dont know him from Adam behind him.

Why cant they just do a simple net like behind home plate at a baseball game at center stage? 20ft high and 200ft long would catch almost anything they could throw at it. Easy to see through and easy to put up and take down as you see fit.

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08-08-2016 11:37 PM
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jhartsock3

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I was sitting next to guy who got hit and caught a piece of boom also. And yes the heli the heli came fast and the pilot did his job. It was an accident pure and simple. And its a risk we take when we egg the pilots on to fly harder and lower. If we cheered just as hard for 3d that was 5ft above the ground as we do. For blade scraps most of the accidents wouldn't happen. With that being said. There are improvements that could be made. Move the pilots out further like they did after the incident. Also this year the way the field was cut needs changed. In years past there was a more comfortable distance at every flight station of where the pilot stands and where you take off from. This year the pilot cone was in the center of cut grass for landing and taking off. With surounding grass way high. Also not to harp on the incident. But the reason it wasn't worse. Is the heli caught the empty chair in front of us are instead of hitting us direct. Had some one been in the chair at the time we would be discussing a much diffrent situation. As it did slice that chair up pretty good.

08-08-2016 11:55 PM
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Jerry K

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If you took video of the flying and presented it to 10 "True Professionals" in the Safety Industry, you would have 10 men laying on the floor suffering from heart attacks.

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

08-09-2016 01:38 AM
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So Did a Spectator get stitches??

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

08-09-2016 01:44 AM
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LaDon

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He was a registered pilot so I guess that don't make him a spectator that was just watching. I guess who knows. Ircha says he didn't and a bunch of ppl say he did

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08-09-2016 03:42 AM
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LaDon

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I am like the guy above. I don't want to be the safety police either but I do think it needs a hard look. Maybe there is nothing that can be done but it should at least he looked at

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