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big_swede

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From Sebastian Marquardt facebook ( Publisher of Germany's major magazines for rc modelling ).

"Recently there have been a lot of rumors about JR Propo. So it was a good opportunity just to visit the company and talk about it. Managing director Takahiko Maniwa took a lot of time. True is: The company is changing. The building in Osaka got a lot of renovation. The first floor contains now four high end 3D printers, one of them the world's biggest one, as Mr. Maniwa proudly presented. These machines give JR new opportunities for research and development. I was shown the latest results. Impressive. But not only the building is partly renovated, like a metaphore it's just following the business. And that is quite changing for JR. Mooney San, the well known face for JR's overseas sales is leaving by the end of the month. At the same time JR is closing down the Matsusaka factory by the end of this month, almost 40 people lose their jobs. For the moment this is the end of development and (own!) production of JR model helicopters. The existing models shall be produced by an external partner. But there won't be new developments by JR. Following the market, the company will focus on remote controls and coaxial helicopters for industrial solutions. Shinya Kunii and Hiroki Ito will still be in charge for research and development. They are facing new challenges. Together with Sadayuki Okamoto from marketing they joined us for dinner. It was not just a funny but also very interesting evening. I am grateful for all the first hand information and a journey back in time when Mr. Maniwa showed me the very first JR helicopter or later on his iPad pictures from the first days of JR."

https://www.facebook.com/sebasmarqu...485551318307802

JR Vibe Ito Edition, JR Nex E8, JR E550, TAGS01 FBL system, JR XG8 radio

07-29-2016 01:43 PM
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mpafonseca

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Well... 100% of my fleet can be called Vintage now....

It's so sad....

07-29-2016 01:48 PM
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mpafonseca

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Is this just for the Heli division or the Radio/Servo too?

07-29-2016 03:13 PM
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big_swede

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It feelt likte JR is only going to do radios and helis for industri applications.
The Matsusaka factory is where they do the R/C electronics today.
And as they now closing it, I guess they wount produce any electronics for the R/C side.
But this is second hand info, dont take my word for it...

JR Vibe Ito Edition, JR Nex E8, JR E550, TAGS01 FBL system, JR XG8 radio

07-29-2016 03:16 PM
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Dario P.

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Some of JR receivers are produced in Malaysia already. Also some of heli spare parts in Taiwan. So they may outsource this outside Japan. I just hope that spares will be available for some couple of years.

If we take Hirobo as an example, Hirobo do not do any development anymore since some years. They do not even have "real" electric helis except the relative small Embla. For any helis starting from the Shuttle size they just offer the conversion based on nitro chasis construction. Still you can get any spares for Hirobo helis, even you still van get any for Shuttles.

I do hope the similar will happen with JR helis.

07-30-2016 03:44 PM
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PaulBowen

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Hirobo do still develop helicopters. Take this as an example;

https://www.hirobo.co.jp/group/mode...3_a4_150105.pdf

Sure the price is out of most peoples range but it is a very nice machine.

I have had no trouble sourcing Hirobo parts and helicopters from Japan or Australia.

I'm a Hirobo, JR, flybar, nitro and all things helicopter fanatic!

07-31-2016 12:10 AM
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Dario P.

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Hi Paul,

Not just in the other heli forum, we also meet here

Oh well, I did not count that as a real development. That Eagle is a replica of the model used by Ennio Graber when he won the F3C WC 2013. For sure it is a superb model. But, ironically Ennio left the Hirobo team ever since. He started in the 2015 worlds with SAB Goblin Urukuay, and ended 2nd behind Ito. Yesterday he just won the F3C European Championship, again with Goblin.

I do not want to argue. Might be that Hirobo still do something like the recent one
https://www.facebook.com/hirobo.co....337389606288363
but just very very very limited.

It can be said that Hirobo has been disappearing from the championships events. There were 1-2 Hirobo models, thats all. The F3C championships are still dominated by JR. Lets see how JR will still support the spares.

My point was and is that I do hope JR will somehow manage to support us with the spares for many years ahead like Hirobo do.

07-31-2016 05:15 AM
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PaulBowen

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Yes Dario P. I totally agree.

I suppose Hirobo are happy just supporting their core followers and not overdoing production. If they continued to sell and support their current range I would be more than happy. I believe Hirobo produce helicopters that are more than adequate for most peoples flying skills. Unfortunately people seem to want never ending developement and parts available within a short drive from home. I'm not sure that is really sustainable. I also believe If model helicopters get any easier to fly the boredom factor will more than kill the hobby. As for JR, I'm sure they will continue parts support for the time being (3 years??).

I'm a Hirobo, JR, flybar, nitro and all things helicopter fanatic!

07-31-2016 05:57 AM
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Antsis

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Just sold my Quest Impaction to concentrate on my E12. Was considering upgrading it to the 755. Maybe not such a good idea.
For the moment this is the end of development and (own!) production of JR model helicopters. The existing models shall be produced by an external partner. But there won't be new developments by JR.
Was there anything regarding parts? Would like to be assured, I could still get spares for my E12.

Ant

08-01-2016 02:07 AM
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Chris.C

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Did the same at the beginning of this year, sold my Impaction 787 and bought another E12 EX.

I believe JR is outsourcing parts production to somebody else, like Kyosho Caliber and Quest years before.

I did modified my EX to 755 but with intention to try out what Ito is doing(check out the newsletter in RC Japan).

08-01-2016 03:15 AM
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Dario P.

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Heaving read the last FB post from JR, I interpret that they will continue to supply the following products (and parts):
FORZA 450 / 450EX
FORZA 700
GSR260Z
SYLPHIDE E12 EX
NEX E6 500 / 550

BUT there will be some delay in the supply, AND they will increase the price as of 1st October 2016.

The supply of other products/parts will only last till end of the stock and then be terminated.

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Interesting is that they had announced to discontinue NEX E6, and stop the parts production and supply after 3 years. This had been before they pre-announced the release of Forza 550. Now that they have canceled Forza 550, seems that they would continue with the NEX E6. What I do hope so.

Also if the said supported helis were true like that my Forza 450 and SY E12 would be happy. Sad will be with the Vibe E12, I have to get enough spares for.

08-06-2016 02:25 AM
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G.Stone

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I bought an E550 Raptor from TT.......
I bought a Blade 600X from HH........
I bought a Forza450 and a Forza700 from JR.......
I was planning on getting a Forza550.......
I already have 5 JR's.......and an XG14.

Any other companies you folks want me to put out of business??????
I'll just THINK about buying one of their choppers. (NO, I don't do HK)

08-06-2016 11:32 AM
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RAK402

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Parts for the current JR Helicopters will be available for approximately three years.

The radios will continue to be produced, developed, and supported (no change here).

Team KBDD/Compass Team Manger/Prostar Hobby/Team JR Americas/Gens Ace/WR Field Rep

08-10-2016 05:34 PM
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G.Stone

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I can safely estimate that not many of us bought our JR's with this in mind. I would expect more than a 3 year commitment out of any manufacturer of any product I buy. My coffee pot is 17 yrs old, my microwave is 33 YEARS old, my pick-up truck is a 1996. I use them everyday, all the time.

Now, I do have "discontinued" models that, I'm happy to say, JR has never failed me yet. Two thumbs up on that.
Maybe my expectations are too high and the Japanese tend to "understate" things....and of course, they could fire the person responsible and continue with the traditional Japanese standards of long term integrity.

I find it hard to believe JR has "lost" any customers and once anyone flys JR, it's hard to turn back. They've invested too heavily in new heli's and radio systems to just throw it all away.
I think there is more to this story.....hopeful a new factory with a brand new line-up for 2017.....

There's just NO WAY I could have put JR out-of-business

08-10-2016 07:05 PM
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don s

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Parts for the current JR Helicopters will be available for approximately three years.
If they aren't releasing/developing new models, what happens after approximately three years?

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

08-10-2016 08:41 PM
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PaulBowen

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Three years just isn't enough of a guarantee for me. Can you imagine spending up to $5000 on a model with only 3 years parts support?

Maybe we need to be happy with incremental improvement to existing models rather than new models every couple of years. Take the Hirobo Freya and Sceadu/SDX series as an example. The Quest Calbre/Impaction line is another great example of incremental development and ongoing support.

I'm a Hirobo, JR, flybar, nitro and all things helicopter fanatic!

08-10-2016 10:33 PM
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G.Stone

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If they aren't releasing/developing new models, what happens after approximately three years?
This is where I see a ???????
They DID develop a new line of helis and a new line of radios. They spent all the money and did all the work.....and now they don't want the profit???
From a "business" POV, that makes zero sense....

JR Americas has been adding products (SebArt airplanes, Pulse batteries) to their line-up. They have added HUNDREDS of "Team JR" pilots in recent months.

Not stuff that indicates "Going-out-of-business"

Maybe JR Americas will buy out JRPropo and run it like a true business.
Can you imagine spending up to $5000 on a model with only 3 years parts support?
No......and they know that....they know their customer base. These statements from JRPropo don't even make sense, there's no logic.
I see more consistency from the "vegetable stand" down the road.

Oh well......Synergy 766?? Pantera Quautro E-Monster??

08-11-2016 10:31 AM
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LaDon

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Well we have not put on hundreds of pilots. Heli side that I manage has 53. When I took over it had 50. We have lost some and gained some but it is pretty much the same. Airplane side had approx 100 when I started a year and a half ago. They too have lost some and gained some so it is approx the same. Maybe a couple more. Prolly what you are seeing is the fact some that weren't doing anything are gone and replaced with some that are so it make it look like more

Sure the research and development costs money. But the release cost runs it up higher and with the Heli market the way it is there is not a way to make it back. Bad thing is the Jr forza was the best Heli we ever had and we are hugely dissappointed. But they had to make a business decision and they did. The Jr Heli line has never been profitable. Sure we all have our ideas on why but it is what it is.

Before anyone says Heli sales are not way down if you weren't at ircha then you should have seen it. I am sure some kits got sold but attendance by non pilots was down. Sales of the kits were almost non existent. I in Friday and Saturday did not see even one kit being carried out. I am sure there were something sold but usually you seen a lot of ppl carrying them out.

Some ppl have done it right to survive. Matt and Amy Botos have done things in a way that is keeping the synergy line out there. Goblin has too. Gaui has tried but I think they have lost sales. Align was doing things more differently that I seen before and they were busy at certain times. It is a weird marketing strategy out there right now

Team Jr

08-11-2016 01:28 PM
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mpafonseca

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Robbe Schluter, Kalt, TSK, Kyosho, Miniature Aircraft, etc. etc.
This movie has been seen multiple times.... The plain reality is that the market for our hobby is small. We just passed a temporary fever based on the increase in quality and "easiness" to learn that created the sensation that the market was bigger, but it is not. There is a huge part of it that is not heli fanatic, but just someone that wants something cool that flies and that big group migrates as soon as another simpler easier option show up, like quads for example.

Another reality is that as soon JR announced this... Aligns started to look better...

p.s.: Have anybody noted the similarities between the last 700x and the Forza design? Not exact but the layout is very much the same... and even before that, the choice of changing the black anodized parts to a mix of polished and red....

08-11-2016 01:57 PM
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G.Stone

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http://www.jramericas.com/team_jr.php

Some states have 1 or 2, some have 15 or more. Plus Canada. Around 180 team pilots....Heli and airplane, there's no distinction on the web-site.

Last I checked, a year or so ago, I believe there were about 12 total. I concur to anything LaDon can add to this conversation. I can only speak from the outside looking in. I considered trying to sign up, but my health is less reliable than a statement from TT.

I always hear drone, drone, drone. The last fun fly I was at (2 wks ago), there was 1 drone. No one was interested.
Constant flow of helis and airplanes all day long. Even in the rain.

Biggest complaint from heli guys.....I can't get parts.
Biggest complaint from manufacturers.......nobody is buying parts.

Somebody or something is not right???? Both the above statements can not be true.

I think the belief that some how IRCHA represents the heli community as a whole is....unfounded. The other web-site is actively running IRCHA into the ground and promoting their own funflys. Good for them. There was a time when there was one big event. Now the heli industry can support multiple, HUGE, world wide events, all at the same time.
Many, many new manufactures doing fine.....but Japan Robotics can't "afford" to support it's products. I pay for the product.......I have to "afford" it, not them.
Thanks for the input. I'd really like for them to realize how great of a product they have and not toss it all way.
Aligns started to look better...
Trekker

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