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Jerry K

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It is not a gun problem it is a people (read criminal) problem! But because the guberment cannot control the people (read criminal) they resort to controlling the guns. Then the problem is they cannot figure out how to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. (look at Chicago) Laws only effect the law abiding citizens and NOT the criminals.

There will always be murder, there was before guns and now after guns. I am truly sorry for all the people that have lost their lives! The guberment is not very good at doing much of anything and that will be the case here. Beware of intended consequences. Look at the problem of the IRA back in the 80's they didn't have guns so they resorted to bombs. The problem will be with us forever, that is a fact!

If the guberment could confiscate 98% of all the guns (and that is a high number for the guberment) that will leave 8,000,000 guns on the street. Who do you think will have those guns?

They all quote Australian style gun control but you never hear them quote 'Mexican style' gun control, where as only the drug lords have the guns and RULE the country.

Criminals will be Criminals! our jails are full. Look at the 'war on drugs' for the last 50 years. How's that going??? How about the 'war on poverty'??? Name one thing that the guberment has done right in the past 50 years! They cannot even win a WAR any more because of all the bleeding heart liberals and the PC crowd. Then Holder violates the laws himself and runs 'guns for Criminals' and exports them to a gun free country.

The political elite and criminals will still have their guns they will simply keep them out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

Wake up America and smell the coffee. Get past this gun control issue, IT WILL NOT WORK.

We will much worse off it this blatantly flawed idea gets passed through.

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

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GREYEAGLE

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Ths will fix it : Lure em in with More FREE ! Give them a Free Cruse Vacation with Everything !

tommytt1
Mercerville, NJ, USA


Ok your all right and I'm wrong. Now what's the solution to this problem ? A very big problem.
Tabulate and identify everybody on FREE : You can do what every you want when ever you want and play a catchy tune on the T.V.

Send em to Norway !! Where the Law enforcement has no GUN's or the EU where they run around with yellow rain coats and note pad's. !

That will be VERY entertaining and keep em busy worth PAY T.V.

Tell em NOT our Problem - Your Problem

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tommytt1

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Greyeagle=Nonsense

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

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GREYEAGLE

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What's wrong with FREE Norway ? They have the Nobel Award for PEACE !

They earned it -Nobel Home of King DYNO- MITE -Gave it way : FREE

How about Free ATLANTIS vacation : Experience the Cartoon NEt work ;
Play with Elmo

Not too sure where Atlantis is : It's a Secret

But do to Global warming / shortage of Coal and Fuel Oil on the island they can only run the generators every 4 days to keep the refrigeration up - Must omit the Air conditioning : Green Energy thingy.

They will convert to Solindra Solar Panels and put up a BIG / BIG wind mill with the pay Back in 30 Years: For ONE Good DEAL

Get a Kupon to ride the Wind Mill

greyeagle

07-10-2016 03:28 PM
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dkshema

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In the heels of this heinous act, the President not only reiterated the Left's mantra of More Gun Control, but then went even further, stating that the US needs Federal Police Force.

Policing is a local issue, not a Federal issue. Under the Obama administration, quite a few federal agencies have been increasingly militarized and weaponized.

Do we want to have to start looking over our shoulders, in fear of the Federales, the secret police, or something more Gestapo-like?

The Federal Government already controls police departments in a large percentage of major American cities, taking control under the guise of "righting" perceived civil rights violations, usually following an incident which is blown way out of proportion by the inevitable news organization feeding frenzy. Once the Feds move in to "help", they don't leave.

After the news guys leave, when the investigation is actually performed and closed, much of what was "reported" turns out to be purely made up, inaccurate, and plain wrong.

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07-10-2016 04:00 PM
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Jerry K

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Police do very little to prevent crime! For the most part they investigate crime after it takes place.

I am sure the TSA has prevented crime but look at what it takes.
The question here is are we willing to give up our freedoms to an agency like the TSA???

I AM NOT

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

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RM3

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you know another sad fact is that many of these would be criminals were shot cause they were armed...they did not actually get ahold of the gun, draw the gun nor fire it. Both assailants that made the news, both had guns, both had broken the law one or more times before (one resisting arrest, the other for armed robbery suspect), but neither of them was shot with a gun in hand...and that is the key issue for most minorities. If these two guy had been shot to death by cops during a shootout, none of this would have made the news.

Its getting to the point that police so much has hear or suspect you have a gun that they will already have theirs pointed at you with the trigger already under pressure, just waiting for a flinch. Its a terrible situation, a jumpy cop in fear of his life and a criminal in fear of his...the one that lives is dependent on fate at that point.

Its almost as if cops need to find a way of deescalating the situation FIRST, by opening verbal communication that is not authorized by the barrel of a gun, shouting at the top of their lungs and warning of death and pain. some people will act in kind if a cop reacts that way.

people dont care that the "victim" has a rap sheet a mile long, they care about the circumstance of what ended their lives.

our actions are the key to stopping what is happening...not the tools that are the focus.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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tadawson

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And ironically, Australia recently reported that gun crime is currently at a record high . . . seems that disarming the non-problem portion of the population isn't working there either. Amazing, though, how much the media has reported on that minor little detail, isn't it?

Basically, it comes down to this: short of programs in something like a Nazi regime, gun control never works!

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07-10-2016 07:14 PM
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Jerry K

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Here is one that happened last night in Houston.

http://abc13.com/news/hpd-officers-...h-side/1420144/

"Officers say instead of dropping the gun, the man raised his weapon pointing it in the air. He then lowered it and pointed it at the two officers."

This could have been a case of 'Suicide by Cop'

There is a basic lack of respect for the police which we know have guns.

Don't be waving a gun around at 1 am in the middle of the street. If that were me I am confident it would have ended with the same outcome.

There is a 95% chance when you are in an encounter with police and both have guns it is not going to end well for either, but it will not be an even outcome.

Remember LEO just want to finish the day and go home to their families as much as you or I.

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

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MPA

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And ironically, Australia recently reported that gun crime is currently at a record high . .
Wrong

07-10-2016 07:33 PM
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GREYEAGLE

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Yet Socialist crime is Nutt's :

Collect / PAY $$$ for garbage pickup - then take it too the other guy's place toss it in HIS dumpster : Then Pay / Collect to have that garbage picked up and tossed in some one else s landfill : Then PAY

PAY AS YOU GO program / Everybody gets PAYED - Good DEAL

Then Build SPY aerial platforms to SPY catch em and make living at it.

THE POST EFFECT - It happened a week ago !
Why you need a SPY CAMERA - Can I sell YOU ONE ??

Put it on Social Media - Complain about the Dumpster Bandit

Simple squirt that snake with a HOSE !!

Wait till the guy's with GUN's show up

STEAL the GARBAGE: It's Complicated

Where did you get that : OH ! I just so happen stance to fish it out of the dumpster - Would you like too buy IT ??

greyeagle

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nitro fun

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Gun control or gun control laws will never, never ever stop criminals,

Only long jail time with hard labour, no tv, no electricity, no a/c, no heat, in the middle of the desert, and death sentence that is promptly followed through, for what they do....

07-11-2016 01:52 AM
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GREYEAGLE

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OK : But their is a very strange occurance >>>>>>>>>>>

I am sure the TSA has prevented crime but look at what it takes.
The question here is are we willing to give up our freedoms to an agency like the TSA???

I AM NOT
A major Bomb explodes in a Belgium Airport " Brussel's

then one explodes in a International Turkish Airport -
In under 36 Hours it's Up and running - ??? No Big Deal

Then a few airplanes seem to be falling out of the sky in the middle east. Just a few

The USA > TSA ramped up AFTER Belgium & prior to Turkey.

OK - am NOT

greyeagle

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tadawson

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Perhaps not an all time high, but Australia's grandstanding has been at best neutral:

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Austral..._Buyback_EI.pdf

A nice non-libtard baked analysis of the situation. Seriously, what sane person would think that turning all the law abiding people into easy targets could possibly help?

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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dilberteinstein

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tadawson

Looks like from your link that homicides have been trending up per 100,000 people for some time.

The gun removal program only served to shift the method of murder and did not actually solve anything toward lowing the murder rate.

Of course, it did give criminals a better peace of mind while they were killing a victim.

It also appears the ratio of non firearm suicides to firearm suicides ran about 2 or 3 to 1 before the gun removal. After the guns were removed, that ratio jumped to 10:1.

So net effect is the overall deaths are up.

90% of life is "showing up"

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RMSLINKERS

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So it's better to be dead if your not shot with a gun?. I guess if you had a gun to defend your self the other person would be dead. Murder rate would be the same but at least the right person would be dead.

If it isn't beating the air up it isn't flying

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Aaron29

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UK's gun control was similar. Done in the name of public safety, and yet had no effect whatsoever on the murder rate. They always hide the numbers by talking about how "firearms homicides are down." They never draw attention to the absolutely unchanged OVERALL homicide rate.

I don't know about you, but bullet, hammer, knife, or fist, makes no difference to me if I'm on the receiving end of homicide by any one of these. I'd rather keep guns in the hands of the law abiding and take my chances, and at least retain the possibility of defense.

"God made man. Colt made them equal." I suppose we should modernize that statement to include man and women. What better defense does an 80 year old man, or small framed women, have against a 270 pound attacker than a Colt?

Ever notice how the ones who will do the gun grabbing will be keeping their guns? How the countries that call for nonproliferation of nukes insist on keep their own nukes? This is not about safety, folks. It's about control. Never take your eye off that.

If you are for gun control, what you are saying is that you have absolute faith in the state to never abuse it. One look at the 20th Century should give you pause against that faith.

The Second Amendment was written for a reason.

Also, note that people always point to UK style gun control, or Australia. No one ever points to Mexico style gun control.

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Xterra

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No one ever points to Mexico style gun control.
Please, elaborate


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07-11-2016 05:55 PM
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spaceman spiff

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Syrian gun control is an excellent example. less than 2% of the poulation has access to a weapon. Any little armed gang of freaks can tear them apart. Same thing goes on in Mexico. A population of victims is not something i want to be part of.

You can not teach a crab to walk straight.

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dilberteinstein

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Xterra

Please, elaborate
Mexico’s gun laws are similar to those in countries like the United Kingdom that do not tolerate possession of certain lethal firearms. This is in stark contrast to the laws of the United States, whose constitution allows citizens to generally own and carry firearms on their person.

Foreigners visiting Mexico must be particularly careful with this, as Mexican laws on importation and possession of firearms and ammunition are strictly enforced at border crossings and on spot-checks, for example, at vehicle checkpoints on major highway routes through the country.

The Mexican constitution allows for possession of one small-caliber firearm with several important caveats: the owner must be a Mexican citizen or a foreigner with legal residency status; the firearm must be of small caliber as specifically cited by the regulations; it must be registered with the army and; critically, the firearm is not to be carried in the street. The purpose of the law is to provide for self-defense within the confine of one’s own home.

http://www.mexperience.com/mexicos-strict-gun-laws/

Please note the Murder Rate of Mexico is 5 times the US.

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