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icanfly

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as I was buzzing my 450 around my small yet substantial back yard space that helis built, every time I saw something that would look untidy it would need work before pictures of it could be posted online world wide, and practicing piro travel, backward circuits, sideways stalls, well anyway, my 450 began to fly toward the pines in the very back of the yard. Not an entirely unfamiliar place for it to have been but tight in terms of adjustment room. The heli had to exit the same way it entered but my reactions caused the 450 to snip some pine needles. I gave it extra positive pitch in a moment of ahh shyt and could only watch as the heli flew out from under the pine branch but at the same time it had gotten flipped inverted,,,, okay.

The heli was heading toward an Apple tree in the general center of the flight space, an apple tree I cut back plenty to both clear the suckers and provide light and energy to the mini apples now forming, as an orchardist might do. Cut just yesterday so I could see my 450 more as I did whatever flying around it. Planning hurricanes, funnels, this kind of thing around the perimeter of the yard while avoiding central hazards is a touch dangerous to the helis longevity and accuracy is mandatory.

As the 450 became inverted it was first behind the apple tree then came around the left side from where I stood possible touching a few small branches before plummeting to the ground,,,inverted. TH was flicked when I first saw it inverted beside the apple tree and thought that's what I 'm going to see one day, inverted in the yard and no crashy. Nobody believes these rc helis are capable of much else than upright circuits, wrong, big big wrong.

Back to the 450, it's now on the ground after landing on it's head while one blade folded back and the canopy nose and boom were lightly struck. It landed on short cut grass and finally lay on it's side, it all happens so fast.

Still plugged in and battery checker beeping I pick the 450 up, inspect the servo actions, observe for anything completely obviously messed up, discover a servo gear broken and nothing else really.

So now what has got to be the almost nearly least amount of damage to my 450 in a crash landing amounted to a servo gear and a bent feathering shaft. Fixed them and went out to fly some more shortly before it got dark. All was not just well but better than ever as an earlier repair included adding some fluid acrylate to tail and slider bearings because they were loose in their seats. An earlier pitch pogo resulted in the heli loosing rpm and turning so corrections were in order.

That was possibly the least broken part crash my 450 has had and took all of 15 minutes to fix, racy fun these helis. Btw, piro circuits can be really amazing when they follow more than a circle or figure eight while switching rotation constantly like it doesn't know where it's going next, but you do.

Buried my younger brother yesterday, he also flew rc helis, though I never got to discover how in depth he was with them. He certainly had a huge property to fly them in. He was one of 7 in the family and a regular hard working guy, we have to thank guns for his slow withdrawl and ultimate personal demise at age 53. I hadn't seen him since a couple of years and spoke over the phone last, a winter ago. I dearly miss him as we were childhood buddies but drifted apart as adults. the experience of burying him was surreal on a clear and sunny day during this beautiful time of the year for botany (foliage well groomed at the grave yard).

Have a good day and remember the Lord loves us with whatever life throws us, you are worth more than things so be gentle, give thanks for every day, and reach out to one another in constructive ways as life is short.

Thanks.

What's your lowest 450 crash damaged parts count if you have a short story?

06-24-2016 04:37 AM
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rpat

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Sorry to hear about your loss pal. Tough burring one of your own.

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06-24-2016 12:54 PM
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icanfly

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thanks. what makes it doubly interesting and harder to take is that I replaced a gun thing back in the early 2000's with rc helis, you know, a fascination with machines of some kind, powerful kind (guns the lethal ones). When I finally took on cp helis guns were long gone goodbye and as I discovered have a profound but silent effect on our personality, some show it some don't but weapons have a negative spiritual impression, rc helis the reverse in capability, outcome, and projection which are positive to the inner senses.

My rc heli interest wavered for a few years since about 2004 then I was shown a cp one, then got into cp to imagine flying an air cam for sports capture. My own involvement in rc cp helis's has turned into something radically different than the initial reasons I first entertained.

At the funeral I thought how sad it was he will never see how awesome his older brothers helis are and how I fly them, he would have been very proud. We spent some very memorable time together with our father as young ones.

Whenever I fly now it's with my younger brother Frank in mind, he resembled one of the members of the band Three Dog Night who wrote "Joy To The World" one of his favorite bands and songs (the member with long dark hair and a mustache).

Replacing my 450's servo gear was a small crisis after forgetting to include a bearing and having finished the repair completely only to discover the bearing later, what a small ordeal (all that time).

06-24-2016 01:36 PM
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old nitroman

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I loss my older brother 2 years ago massive heart attack, he was 57, loss my dad a year before, almost to the day. I know how you feel

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06-24-2016 02:14 PM
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Heli143

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my sincere condolences to you and your family.

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06-24-2016 06:24 PM
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icanfly

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yes thanks. Burying ones closest childhood buddy is not easy. everyone has lost a friend they've spent many years, not like a person you shared your childhood with, that one's a little tougher to get over.

Notice how I didn't go right up and say that burial thing? I like to see people and things like my helis do well.

06-25-2016 02:49 AM
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Einzelganger

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I'm sorry for your loss.

I never met my younger brother.
The doctor that delivered him said he died. No one in my family ever saw him. No one. Mom was given hallucinogenics. She said the ceiling melted into the walls then all melted into the floor. That is all she remembers.
The same doctor went to prison for life for telling people that their child died and then selling them on the black market. True story.
Guess I'll never know.
Your loss is real. Mine, who knows?

Wayne

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RIP Roman

06-25-2016 07:46 AM
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icanfly

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we often don't realize how our siblings and later very close friends and husbands or wives are a big piece of ourselves until they are gone. Odd thing about ending ones life due to a broken heart or complexes of inferiority, you end up passing that on to everyone who loved you, it isn't right.

Shortly after I heard the news of his death (he'd been locked in his home for two weeks before anyone entered to discover him) I reviewed a recent nitro Shuttle successful flight and tuning video taken while he was gone and I broke down pretty hard watching. All the time we're distracted thinking no one has problems if we don't. The Shuttle is better than ever and rebuilt with as many advancements as can be thrown at it (in no way an old Shuttle, needing only a motor with more hp). I'm also making all of my helis strutless so I removed them from it and the 450 too.

For the duration between bros initial date of death about a month ago to the time he was buried I hadn't flown more than a dozen times and only five or ten minutes at a time, not having the initiative. I just didn't know he was a big piece of me, like twin brothers.

Like Job of ancients said after the almighty tested him by taking his children, what god gave was his to give, what he took was his to take. In words like this we find some kind of peace of mind.

Now the stories of a downed 450, has no one been able to immediately pick their 450 up after a crash and resume flying? Maybe only a machine, also a point of social interest, that's why some of us come here to share.

06-25-2016 03:01 PM
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ICUR1-2

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I accidentally hit TH at about 20 feet up
(too bad the auto rotation bailout wasn't set-up)
thought for sure something got damaged, so I spooled it up to check for bent shafts and nothing was damaged

I attribute the bounce/save to the Gorilla landing gear
still flying it the same, a year later.

My condolences for your family

2 weeks ago today I had to make the decision to euthanize my little girl on her birthday. She had pancreatic cancer and was only 14. She managed to hang on until her moms birthday the day before hers.

My only comfort comes from knowing we will be together again in Gods kingdom.

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06-25-2016 03:29 PM
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icanfly

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nice one about the gorilla gear, these helis do take some shock well when absorbed by something soft.

It's really tragic I didn't recognize my brothers spirit in a dream I had proceeding his end a month ago, in regards to the method of choice at that time. I didn't know we can occasionally see each other's soul in dreams of people living or dead.

And get this, he lived right across from open farmers fields as well as having a big back yard. Someone bad got him involved in guns (how he took his life)

Heavy personal stuff yes, small consolation that the lighter you become in life and possessions the better you feel altogether, rc helis being an object of aerial function. My practices with my helis have made them lighter than stock and more protected compared to stock, in the end some grams lighter but not enough to be very noticeable. The lighter it is the less it gets hurt in a crash.

06-25-2016 05:58 PM
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Danny Calderone

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I'm truly sorry for the tragic loss of your brother. But I don't believe it's fair to place any blame on the vehicle he used to reach his goal. I've buried 7 loved ones in the last 12 years to suicide, including my father in law who was one of the greatest men I'd ever known. All were gun owners. But only one took his life with a gun. I'm a gun owner myself, and when I am not at my best emotionally, time spent at the gunsmithing bench helps to lift my spirits the same as flying helicopters does. When someone decides to take that very unfortunate path, the results are the same. They will find a way to do so.

I'm not looking to start a debate in the wake of your loss, and I will not continue to contribute if the post takes that direction. It's a subject I feel very strongly about, and I've been debating on whether or not to say anything at all. I apologize if you find it distasteful.

Please accept my sincere condolences. I wish you and your family the best getting through this.

Danny Calderone. AREA138

06-25-2016 06:29 PM
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icanfly

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now that is a heavy story omg.

Don't worry, I often question the need for military/authority and why they are what they are, only that out of personal experience I can absolutely attest to my experience with weapons spiritually. In fact even when there were many other interests I could have explored to take my involvement with a gun away from me I felt only when helis came along did I replace the former with at least something more user friendly and exciting, while not being directly linked to anything life taking. The spiritual power of the firearm over me discovered by pure accident, twice.

In many parts of the world guns are a way of life, and in one test where they gave everyone in two southern US towns a gun did they discover violent crime rates to become nearly non existent in them after a short time.

I know of several persons who have or still own a firearm or replica. I've been shot at by pellet more than once, witnessed a persons home fired upon (they weren't home) as I was almost caught in a cross fire, and almost been blinded by ricocheting bb's more than once (damn), worked in a Nightclub frequented by heat carrying partons, come upon a shooting scene of a man and his car, been exposed to dad's collection very long ago until they were removed, I grew up watching lots of death and destruction on tv and often watch gun fight movies because everything else is boring and mundane, not that I care for what I see, it's really crazy.

My bro btw, took his life most likely out of exasperation due to a financial and emotional trouble stemming from that condition, and had a quick and absolutely final way to screw the world and or escape feeling cornered (by debt most likely), and being alone too much without someone to reach out to him to show who loves him no matter what. He had to give us just a little more time and he might still be here to add to some more good times. This end is what can happen to people who bottle everything up inside and let no one else in.

It's a hard lesson, a million persons taking their life a year, statistically.

06-25-2016 07:07 PM
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I am still alive today because I could not handle the thought of someone explaining to my youngest son what happened to his dad.
16 years later I owe my life to him again because I need to hang out and finish paying for his college tuition. I love my wife, his mom, so much that I couldn't face the idea that she might lose our home without my income.

Depression is an evil bitch. She takes many away from this world every day.

Get help if you have any of these thoughts. I have. He will graduate, and this house will be hers. Period. I repeat, get help if any of these thoughts are running through your head.

Wayne

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RIP Roman

06-26-2016 02:44 AM
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ICUR1-2

Your loss really makes me want to cry.
I cannot imagine your sadness. I'm afraid to even try.
God bless you and keep you.

Wayne

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RIP Roman

06-26-2016 03:05 AM
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Einzelganger

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Danny Calderone

I feel your pain.
My family is cursed with many suicides.
I am doing my best to break the chain.
God bless you and keep you.

Wayne

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RIP Roman

06-26-2016 03:07 AM
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Danny Calderone

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....

Wayne, I've had to explain that exactly to my stepson. He's been mine since he was 5, he's a United States Marine now at 22 years old. When he was 10 his father (once a very close friend of mine) committed suicide like his own father and grandfather before him. It's a gut wrenching thing to have to do to tell a child knowing that their thoughts would eventually amount to not believing they were worth sticking around for. Nothing is ever bad enough to take your own life. The path of damage left behind is cruel.

Danny Calderone. AREA138

06-26-2016 04:24 AM
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Einzelganger

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Danny,
You are breaking an awful chain.
Keep up the good work sir.

Wayne

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RIP Roman

06-26-2016 05:11 AM
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icanfly

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The path of damage left behind is cruel.
and lost opportunities and good times. Taking one's life absolutely is a selfish act of defiance, escaping ones own challenges in life, biggest challenge being recognizing we are not alone and to take positive action in turning the tide around.

I've heard and have experienced many times when an excellent opportunity came along, "oh f it" and "ohh well" like nothing good in life will ever come a person's way, HA. You have no idea what the lord put in my hands for sticking around and battling a mountain of negativity from inside and out. Yeah a lot of times we really are doing things for no one but our selves but it's those times when we impact another persons life in a good way with just a smile that changes the world.

The lord put a huge smile on my face with an astoundingly original rc heli collection, and it's a blessing when they crash and come out unscathed from destruction, lol (every time I crash one of these things I look for way to lessen the damage).

Did my first high up 450 auto rotation in the back yard last evening, went pretty well as the heli was above the house, put into negative pitch to bring it down and with an over speed, and as soon as it did that at 20 ft up I flicked th (my pitch curves need adjustment). The heli dropped in rpm slightly while coming close to the ground and landed firmly while rpm dropped about 5 ft high there was enough to fan the rotor and stop the heli from hitting hard, it didn't flop over and the auto from high up was a success. I'm looking forward to auto-ing in the wind with something like a 700, probably be able to keep it up there indefinitely if there's thermals and/or updrafts.

There's a lot of reassuring info on suicide on the net on what happens to a persons soul energy.

06-26-2016 02:37 PM
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icanfly

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know what? I was reminded of a time when flying my 450 in the back yard a little over a month ago that it clipped some pine branches 15ft above a 6ft high wood fence and cedars in our yard close to the fence. The 450 plummeted after I panic'd hitting th in stead of flying out with + collective. The heli plummeted while I watched it in tension waiting for it to fall in the neighbors yard and or clip the fence when omg it fell between the fence and cedars nose first so narrowly missing the wood fence and then landing in the cedar near the ground. Go over to the heli, routinely inspect for a problem, nothing to mention so take it out to the grassy area and spool up. Not a broken thing at all, simply amazing.

This topic wasn't so much about a death but about saving whether it be helis, tangible things, and/or souls, but mostly about miraculous saves.

Tried some more 450 high up autos yesterday, first one fell hard not breaking anything, second attempt went better with an over speed before hitting th.

06-28-2016 05:51 PM
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ICUR1-2

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If I want to reduce your amount of damage should you happen to crash, then finding a field with tall grass or a farmers field with been sprouts, will do the trick.

corn fields work but it can be a pain trying to find the crash site.

I have witnessed instances where even 50 size machines were found with out damage.

best ways to ruin a heli crash in sand or on pavement.

I crashed a Hawk pro nitro in sand and never was able to clean it all out, so I ended up re-kitting with new servos

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