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NO-p, not Phil,, please don't think evvvvvery one likes you Raja
Jim
Looking at his profile he seems likeable

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06-26-2016 05:45 AM
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No gearhead

You're totally wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about! Whomever is feeding you information if any is making it up as they go or you are, either way doesn't matter, you're wrong
Daa,, it's in English >>>, the point is that YOU never told people that you did have problems, and you did have problems, and you kept those problems quiet and off the forums so no one would know
That not true, search the forums or ask anyone who has asked me.
Peter most likely he would have given you (free) the parts you needed, or give you the 50% discount like he did with your kit
That's not true either, and it was obvious as there were several people with broken hawk 30 nitro grips on Radikal 50 gassers. I told Peter he needs to beef up the grip because its too thin, only 4.5mm whereas the MA one was alot thicker (the plastic version). It was obvious they were trying to sly their way out of responsibility by blaming everyone who has issues for this or that. Someone made a perfect list one time about how Century blamed the pilots for everything...wish I could find it again, if I do I'll be sure to post it for you!
BTW Raja, I was told you were bashing Synergy, then when MA went out you asked (was it Tim ?? not sure) if Synergy would take you on as a Rep, they shot you down, is that true ??
Where the heck did that come from, someone lying to you left and right!

Gearhead, you got some broken gears, you're 0 for 3!

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4038 flights
Raptor 90 Hanson 300, 267 flights
Spectra-G G270 3DMax, 3110 flights
Whiplash-G G270 3DMax, 1272 flights

06-26-2016 05:46 AM
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Where the heck did that come from, someone lying to you left and right!
yeeaa, that is right, and you know who

the one that told me those things I can trust, not you and not Phil

Jim
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06-26-2016 06:03 AM
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several
see Raja, not several, it was ONLY 3 or 4, and 1 of those was James and Peter told James to push his head speed to see just how well the grips would hold up,

how many time are YOU going to lie about that ??

Jim
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06-26-2016 06:08 AM
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It was obvious they were trying to sly their way out of responsibility by blaming everyone who has issues for this or that
aa more lies, remember Peter giving that guy a 50% discount for Predator parts when he crashed 3 times, $300 in parts for $150,, BTW, MA still owes me $60

Jim
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06-26-2016 06:13 AM
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hey Raja, you keep running your mouth about Century,,

remember this, why didn't you tell people about these MA problems before they bought MA helis ??? >> I like this first part I quoted >>
The next thing that crippled MA was runs of less than optimum engineering.
For those watching closely, the seeds of this untimely demise were sown a decade ago.
In the old days of MA, the chief competition in the marketplace came from GMP, Schluter, Hirobo, and a few others. When MA first started, they had more or less two kits, the X-Cell 50 and the 60, and that was all. Stores had parts, and it was relatively easy to secure a kit when you wanted one. Over the next 5-7 years, MA added multiple new kits to the product line, arguably too many. When this happened, the ability to get a given kit when you wanted it fell away, and most dealers at most had a few examples of the product line. The company lacked the liquid cash to be able to do runs of multiple kits and to get them packed and shipped. The customer had to backorder what they wanted. BAD mistake number one. When guys want a model, they do not want to wait months to get it. It's OK for a boutique models like a TDR because guys know the deal there going in, but it is a nonstarter for a mainstream model mfg. The inability to delivery product in volume became that much worse as Align's popularity grew, and the customer could get any kit they wanted on demand from a multitude of dealers. Surely the low cost of the imported parts was a player in Align's growth, but market penetrance and distribution were what really did it for them.
The issues with parts count with MA models were legendary. Especially in the days of the X-Cell SE's and Pro's, the company had an amazing ability to make what could have easily been a one piece assembly instead be comprised of three pieces. This drove up kit cost, repair cost, and build time. Even as the situation improved in later designs, that reputaation persisted at a cost to sales.
Those of us who flew for MA in the old days used to make a joke about when a product would ship. Answer: "two weeks". It was funny to a point, but it ceased to be amusing to guys who waited for 6 months for a new release having been told "two weeks" for months on end. You cannot do this in today's market. When a product is announced, you better be able to ship within a few months or guys WILL NOT wait on you. MA's top two pilots flew a protoype Bandit for a solid year publically while MA told the public constantly changing relases dates that ultimately ended up never happening at all. During this time, no one wanted any current MA 90 sized model because they were waiting on the Bandit. Most eventually just gave up and bought another brand. Flying a prototype publically this way for so long with no hope of getting it to work and then ship was absolutely, postively mindbogglingly stupid. Even up to the time of the Whiplash, there were months and months sometimes between planned release dates and when product actually shipped.
Ongoing sales: in the early days of MA, everyone wanted a kit when they first came out, AND the subsequent demand for kits supported the company on an ongoing basis. Starting with the era of the first Ion's forward (almost a dead relase after the first run of kits because batteries were not yet affordable for the masses @ $800/set), MA never succeeded in generating an ongoing demand for product. At the time of a new kit release, all the MA fans got their model, and everything quickly sold out. When restocking occurred, that product would sit and sit and sit on dealer shelves. I think Ron Lund still has a Fury Extreme that has been there for god knows how long. At the time when Brian was with MA, I recall him telling me that during his tenure, there was only a brief period when the Fury 55 released that the company EVER ran in the black. I would hazard a guess that they have not been in the black since then. You cannot survive doing that but for so long.
The next thing that crippled MA was runs of less than optimum engineering. The Status looked good or paper and to build, but the reality is that you cannot backplate mount a 3.5 hp engine to a piece of carbon and think that things are no going to move around in flight. There were issues with bolts breaking with certain brands of engines, and those who knew what to listen for could hear the driveline bog down under heavy load in flight due to chassis flex. The rotor system would not deliver desired cyclic range to keep up with new flying demands, so they tried using step up bellcranks on a non closed loop control system. That helped the throw problem but assured servo geartrains got beaten to hell in short order. The small diameter tail boom was never quite stiff enough, so the answer was to come out with an Ultra boom that was not only expensive as hell but hard to source. There were some attempts to improve these situations, but you can't put lipstick on a pig. The Whiplash series had well known and documented issues with the primary driveline and the tail rotor drive system. The novel concept of the auto bearing on power plant looked good on paper, and that is where it stopped being good. As Darrick noted, these issues were never totally addressed, even on the EX (which, BTW, was hideously debuted at IRCHA 2013 by sticking that poor model on a tripod in the travel lane at the west end of the field with a few flying with basically no one there to mind the store or answer customer questions about anything). The company was in a bad position of having model with major issues that could not be fixed without what would have effectively been a complete redesign. Over the past 1.5 years or so, they lost the vast majority of their best team pilots over these issues. These things are noticed at the local field and at events, and it does hurt sales.

Jim
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06-26-2016 06:28 AM
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Oh goodness,,,Gearhead must be banging the cow bell again.... will it ever stop...
At least Sparx isn't here any more. He abandoned ship long ago. And for good reason.
The old Gearhead is the only one left it seems,,,,,,poor soul,,,,

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

06-27-2016 04:45 AM
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old nitroman

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Dam I feel bad for starting this tread, Like a pissing contest.

E5s and E7se, Roban bell 222 800 superscale,450 bell 4 bladed head,gobby 380,180cfx

06-27-2016 01:52 PM
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RM3

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I wouldnt feel bad...thats between them two...

I fell in love with my radikal the day a bought it...then after 1 year, I realized what a mistake I made...but I thought I could fix them...AND still trying.

Buy another at anything over $100....no F-ing way.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

06-27-2016 03:14 PM
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ICUR1-2

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Dam I feel bad for starting this tread, Like a pissing contest.
Don't feel bad it's always like this when Century is involved,

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06-27-2016 07:27 PM
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^^^

You got it, all their reps always ganged up on the customers myself included when their was any issue and blamed the customer for everything, even the obvious Century fault (see my picture above).

But don't feel bad, look at gearhead's posts, he is always involved in all types of conversations about this, he feeds on that and loves this type of posting.

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4038 flights
Raptor 90 Hanson 300, 267 flights
Spectra-G G270 3DMax, 3110 flights
Whiplash-G G270 3DMax, 1272 flights

06-27-2016 07:52 PM
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oldfart

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You mean Phil the leisure suit dealer?
???? Why bring me into your pi$$ing match? What do you mean by "leisure-suit dealer". Sounds a bit like name calling, which is not permitted here on RR. I was going to stay out of it but I guess I must step in now.
...Tell me who has interest still involved with Century besides you and Phil? BY the way, you can tell how people put words together, that looks like Phil to me.
So you make a wrong assumption about me personally again. Any chance of getting an apology?

At the moment, my involvement here has more to do with the facts being stated, relative to the history here, then with Century, as they are basically out of the gasser heli market, so it is rather irrelevant.
Oh goodness,,,Gearhead must be banging the cow bell again.... will it ever stop...
At least Sparx isn't here any more. He abandoned ship long ago. And for good reason.
The old Gearhead is the only one left it seems,,,,,,poor soul,,,,
If you look at how TOXIC this gasser forum became about 10 years ago, relative to Raja and the Century and some other flyers, you will note that most moved over to another forum. The forum bias was also prevalent and became increasingly obvious, as any poster could note shortcomings about products from Century or engine tweekers other then Hanson, without being kicked off. On the other hand, if anyone said anything positive about these other brands or pointed out any shortcomings in MinAir or Hanson engines, they were kicked out.

Relative to engines, Rajas attacks on Sparx relative to his TRM231 that was reworked to produce its' HP and torque at much higher rpm then the stock 231, as compared to Hanson 260's of that day (for running at lower RPM) again just added to the toxic atmosphere here. This was at a time when many 3D flyers where discovering that the easiest way to get hot cyclic/collective response for 3D flying was simply to find a way to get much higher head speeds. Of note, is that in time, even Hanson started to mode some of their engines for running at higher rpm. Also of note is that all of them now do so.

IMHO, I think the toxic atmosphere that permeated here, at a time when RR was considered by many to be the main RC helicopter related forum, did a BIG disservice to the gasoline powered heli community as a whole.

Phil

06-27-2016 08:07 PM
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You got it, all their reps always ganged up on the customers myself included when their was any issue and blamed the customer for everything, even the obvious Century fault
Much like what happens in many of the MinAir forums when they asked about the issues noted in GH's thread above.
But don't feel bad, look at gearhead's posts, he is always involved in all types of conversations about this, he feeds on that and loves this type of posting.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

Phil

06-27-2016 08:17 PM
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Phil

What's the name of your Century heli dealership business? Leisure something, right? That's where that came from, I know its Leisure in the name, anyways...

If you didn't PM gearhead to talk about Raja's MA gassers, well sorry if I thought it was you but in the past you did - don't tell me you never ever PM'd somebody about my MA gassers. But who else is doing that now, I'd love to know but then again its a secret, nobody is up front about anything.

This forum used to have all that pinking stuff, remember the days when I got pinked so many times just because I answered some post and mentioned the word "Hanson"? Wally was pinking me saying I was trying to sell Hanson engines, when I was just telling people this is what I use or some time even someone asked "What's Hanson's number", I posted it, that's it, answer the question, and I got pinked! I told Mark he's going to destroy this website with all the pinking, he needs to let people say something without worrying about it, he did finally fix that but somewhat late as people got upset with the pinking and moved on, but the same discussions go on in any forum, its not specific to this forum.

Sparx used to say his 231 made more power than a bigger engine, you and I know that its not possible, you can always make the bigger engine provide more power, there is no replacement for displacement. He might have even said his "stock 231" was better than a Hanson 26 at the time, you need to go look back and find it, everything is logged here for all to see.
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.
Now you're in it too, maybe the fire under the pot?

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4038 flights
Raptor 90 Hanson 300, 267 flights
Spectra-G G270 3DMax, 3110 flights
Whiplash-G G270 3DMax, 1272 flights

06-27-2016 08:21 PM
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ICUR1-2

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old nitroman

See what'd I tell ya

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06-27-2016 09:18 PM
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RM3

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I think these two need to go out on a date...

would make a great reality TV show too.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

06-27-2016 11:55 PM
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ICUR1-2

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I don't know about the great part... But some kind of TV documentary could be made out of this

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06-28-2016 12:36 AM
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Alright it's settled then- Canaan, NH Funfly August 20th is geographically in the middle of rbort, Gearhead, and oldfart! I will bring the folding camp chairs and 10x10 canopy so we all can sit shoulder to shoulder and discuss the ways of the gasser

06-28-2016 01:09 AM
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Sounds great!

I'm ready to meet gear head!! If we can get him to come out from behind the keyboard..

Phil we met at ircha but he doesn't come anymore...

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4038 flights
Raptor 90 Hanson 300, 267 flights
Spectra-G G270 3DMax, 3110 flights
Whiplash-G G270 3DMax, 1272 flights

06-28-2016 02:08 AM
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you can always make the bigger engine provide more power
however for a given engine comparison it may not. You might remember the Offenhauser engine of open wheel racing fame

If you're not flying a gasoline helicopter
You're paying 10 times too much for fuel!!

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