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fla heli boy

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Let's see how they (the Obama admin.) spin this one. Prelim hints by the FBI suggest a Muzzie.
20+ dead and over 40 injured.

06-12-2016 12:40 PM
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"He appeared to be carrying an assault-type rifle and a handgun, and had some type of device on him."

An FBI spokesman said they were investigating whether the attacker was a "lone wolf". He said the attacker appeared to "have leanings towards" radical Islamist ideology but it was not yet clear whether this was a case of domestic or international terrorism.
http://www.bbc.com/news/36510272

Hmmmm, I wonder what the other "type of device" was. Something that goes boom?

06-12-2016 01:59 PM
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Aaron29

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A gay bar on a Saturday night? Clearly this was specifically targeted violence for ideology. No matter what side of the political fence you are on, I hope we can all agree that this was a disgusting act. My prayers for the wounded, killed, and families.

There are some spurious reports that the suspect is Omar Mateen. A United States citizen. Was heavily armed and wearing an explosive device.

I think we'll find out that he was radicalized - Boston Marathon bomber style. A domestic terrorist radicalized by ideology. What I'd like to know is what was the device, who created it, and does he have ties to known groups? I really don't like dismissing a terrorist act as a "lone wolf" event whenever ideology is involved. No one gets the idea to kill in the name of God by himself.

And the most important question, could anything have been done to detect his plan before he hatched it? It seems we always find out after the fact that a killer has tweets and facebook accounts that show anger and clues. I'm not talking about usual dialogue that can be reread with 20/20 hindsight. I'm talking about blatant predictors. For example, the San Diego shooter posted a whining manifesto with exactly what he'd do, which is no subtle hint. I just wonder what clues were missed or ignored. We have to be more vigilant.
Let's see how they (the Obama admin.) spin this one.
Will blame the NRA, no doubt. The "Islamic" word will not be used.

06-12-2016 02:39 PM
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fla heli boy

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I've already had an argument with somebody when I opined that Obama will make this about guns guns guns with no mention of the muslim who committed the crime.
Same with the twit that killed the young lady the day before. It's always the guns fault.

06-12-2016 02:54 PM
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Yup - let this be someone killing with a knife, or crowbar, or running people over with a car, and we immediately recognize that the tool is not the problem.

In this case, the guy had an explosive device. Pretty sure we've got laws against that. He was hell bent on killing and we certainly have laws against murder! Law would not stop this. He would find a way to kill despite whatever law you throw out there. What possible gun law would prevent it? Gun control didn't work in France, did it? Gun control is not a solution. It's an agenda looking for a problem to promote itself. Opportunistic. "Never let a crisis go to waste." Disgusting.

And don't get me started on failing to mention Islam. Liberals avoid the "I" word, but will take any and every opportunity to tear down Christians. So odd. Christianity is the ultimate evil in a Liberal's eyes, even though it promotes turning the other cheek and that vengeance belongs to the Lord. Christians are compelled to act peacefully, even unto death, if they follow the word. They may rebuke homosexuality, but if following the Word, they do not commit violence. Yet for a lib, Christians are the nasty evil. Look, libs, Christians aren't the ones throwing gays off buildings. And Christians aren't the ones trying to suppress women's rights with sharia law. Libs are so blinded by their hatred of Christianity that they'll give a pass to anything antichrist-but that's all predicted in the Bible-many will be deceived and many deluded, and there will be many antichrist.

06-12-2016 02:58 PM
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Crazy. Takes one hell of a nutjob to do something like that.

You can not teach a crab to walk straight.

06-12-2016 03:19 PM
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fla heli boy

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still pulling bodies out. Body count will be going up.
Apparently he was an American citizen, but the rest of his family here (from Afghanistan) were not.
So, the people the screened these yahoos are going to be the one screening the 200k new Syrians we're bringing in. What could POSSIBLY go wrong???

Dead stands at 53 now... holy crap.

06-12-2016 03:27 PM
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WHen the sht goes down, and it will, they will never recognize the blood that is on their hands.

When I think of what it might have like to been there, trapped. Suffering and death all around. It's horrifying. I find myself relieved that I wasn't there, and guilty for feeling such a thing.

06-12-2016 03:29 PM
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/p...nion-polls.aspx

Have a look at what is going on in most islamic heads. The base line is 80% want the death penalty for anyone who leaves islam. it goes downhill from there.

"By the content of their charactor, not by the color of thier skin"

You can not teach a crab to walk straight.

06-12-2016 03:34 PM
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Aaron29

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The number of people killed by suicide bombers in places like Iraq is absolutely stunning. Reports of 40 killed during suicide bomb attacks, with the dead including women and children, are so often coming from the middle east that we almost start ignoring them. Not sure if the reason we ignore them is because of the commonality of these events, or if it's because it's just too uncomfortable to think about. I think it's the latter. Because when you consider the reality of the suffering these attacks represent, it's a bit too sad and frightening to truly bear on a conscious level. Perhaps the ignorance is how we anesthetize to such pain. But is that such a good idea?

It just seems the human race has some sort of cancer in it. Why are there people so hell bent on killing? Can we stop it?

06-12-2016 03:39 PM
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fla heli boy

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yep. Kill them first. Simple as that.
Maybe start with admitting we have a problem specifically with one group of people and start from there.
They're not going to change. Ever...

06-12-2016 03:53 PM
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It's not just Islam. It's something else. Because we have people here not associated with Islam killing just for killing sake. I'm sick and tired of the violence on the news. I want humanity to evolve. I don't blame Islam as the root of the problem. I think it's more a symptom. I blame sick people. I think radical Islam just has a special way of attracting violent people. If you're sick and violent, what better place for you than to be a radical?

If people weren't so subject to following failed ideology, we'd be better off. Will there ever be a day where radical Islam fails to attract anyone? We'd need to evolve and choose peace. I think Jesus is the answer, but I also know scripturally that most won't follow Him and there's worse to come.

06-12-2016 04:04 PM
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fla heli boy

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for sure it's not all Islam. Absolutely.
It's a rampant increase in mental illness. Most of it brought on by the moral breakdown of societies world wide.
My dad and I talk about it all the time. There's no way we're going to reverse course, no way we can stop it. If we're luck we'll reach some point where maybe the spread of it can be slowed somehow.
I was raise Lutheran and me and all of my cousins used to get dragged to church by my grandmother almost every weekend. I got a reprieve when I got old enough to go fly with dad in his Cherokee, or be his ballast on race weekend in his sailboat. Never really been back in a church after other than a wedding or maybe an Easter service or two. But... I will say those first 8 years I got some base beliefs (the golden rule) and some morality that has stuck with me my whole life. Backed up, of course, by parents that weren't afraid to tan my backside if I did wrong.
A lot of that is missing from kids today, which is why I don't see things ever getting better.
It is what it is. Be prepared...and deal with it. Unfortunately.

06-12-2016 04:20 PM
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outhouse

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Filthy muzzie

50 dead.

06-12-2016 04:51 PM
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Father of perp claims his son's actions have "nothing" to do with religion. He was simply anti-gay.

Dunno. Being gay is punishable by death in many Islamic countries. So.....

06-12-2016 04:56 PM
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outhouse

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I don't blame Islam as the root of the problem.
Really?

They have been murdering since the day the primitive religion started.

You have no idea how crazy all muzzies are. To be a muzzie it means you have to refuse reality, and education and knowledge. Other words it exposes how weak your mythology is.

They are all nuttier then YEC who think the earth is 6000 years old. This primitive thinking of refusing reality is required to be a member.

When one holds that much fanaticism and fundamentalism reality is blurred and the line dividing right and wrong becomes blurred.

The religion has no moderation like Christianity, and after interviewing muzzies from many countries for 6 years, I have how stubborn they all are, and how far from reality they all exist.

If their book says 2 + 2 = 85 you cannot get them to EVER know the true answer is 4, they do not accept reality. They are stuck in the past.

No government no control, no organization, just free wheeling stupidity due to primitive mythology.

A muzzie is scared of one thing, another muzzies. Because they know they have been murdering each other since the religion began.

06-12-2016 04:59 PM
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Father of perp claims his son's actions have "nothing" to do with religion. He was simply anti-gay.
Dunno. Being gay is punishable by death in many Islamic countries. So.....
More then a third of these animals want Sharia law imposed to match the violent filthy dirty hell holes they left to come here.

They do not get a long with others, and do not blend into society. For them it is and has always been all or nothing.

Let more in? hell no.

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fla heli boy

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THIS JUST IN....

Yep, registered Democrat. Well that won't fit the narrative.
Also, he's a licensed security of some sort. Apparently carries a Class G license, like a CCW on steroids.
So.... no law would've stopped him, he's a Muslim AND he's a Democrat.
Be prepared for some World Class spin like we've never seen before.

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fla heli boy

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I saw a funny FB meme the other day showing a snowflake praying.
Said "The only time you'll see a Democrat pay, is that the latest mass shooting was done by a conservative NRA member".

06-12-2016 05:15 PM
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already had an argument with somebody when I opined that Obama will make this about guns guns guns with no mention of the muslim
There's no surprise about that ,

My input on the matter there's always some haunted act that follow those who committ immoral act, the Almighty himself
Did in fact destroy Saddom.

I am sorry that people chose to become a diligetmate target in this life.

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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