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rpat

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Weirton, W. Va.

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I am of the greyeagle sect. You guys that try and get people into the hobby are wasting your time. The only people that get permanently into the hobby are the ones that seek US ( the hobbyist ). They are the ones that will stay in the hobby over the long haul. For you to go out on the street and drag any one into the hobby is a waste of time. You might get them to start but in the long haul they will fall off of the wagon sooner or later.

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06-12-2016 01:43 PM
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Pistol_Pete

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Seffner, FL

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You have to be over 50 and have seen the original LONE RANGER series in order to understand greyeagle.

Got it Kimosabe?

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

06-12-2016 01:44 PM
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helifanatix

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Fountain Valley, CA

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Agreed Pistol....

Since my first post on this thread, I have reached out to over 150 folks and enticed 10 newbie pilot. I conducted show and tell events by teaming up with local hobby shops to host RC Heli mini clinics. Shared with them the opportunity and idea of:
- thrill & excitement of single rotor flights
- on the spot 1 on 1 buddy boxing with a mcpx bl
- scale builds & factoids about RC Heli used in the movies (thanks to a post on RR)
- just sparking new interest and keeping the ones in it going as well!

* Why do we talk about the Negatives but seldom do anything about it?

- Scott

06-12-2016 03:48 PM
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ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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* Why do we talk about the Negatives but seldom do anything about it?
It is in our nature to bitch and complain until someone gets fed up and does something about it.

I have to agree about the newcomer wanting to find us instead of us looking for them.
All we can do is show them that we are having fun at what we do.

spending time, paying attention

06-12-2016 03:55 PM
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helifanatix

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Fountain Valley, CA

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That is why i teamed up with local hobby shops ... Position ourself up with new comers that are looking.

I'm show casing the RC Heli Hobby and recruiting while doing something I'm already doing anyways and than invite them to our flying fields.

Hook - Line - Sinker!

- Scott

06-12-2016 04:03 PM
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wc_wickedclown

rrProfessor

long beach calif

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just taking break rebuilding

Insha Allah

06-12-2016 04:07 PM
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GREYEAGLE

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Flat Land's

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Hi / Ho !! Tonto Big / Big SMOKE
You have to be over 50 and have seen the original LONE RANGER series in order to understand greyeagle.

Got it Kimosabe?

Almost as Good as : Boogity Boogity Boogity - Diggity Diggity Diggity

Saw that where them guys only make left hand turns - kinda like at the Flying field.

ah -- you need them foamy wheels in the barrel ?? Your Sure ??? -
Just Checking

Pistol Pete : He got one of them twin action's

What about ZORO !!!! He's the best !!!!

greyeagle

06-12-2016 06:29 PM
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Pistol_Pete

rrProfessor

Seffner, FL

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I know you have agreat sense of humor, some just dont get you.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

06-12-2016 07:59 PM
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Razmo

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Chicago

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Not dying, simply less new comer volume and fewer frequent single rotor pilots in recent years for several reasons.

Growing up, it would be rare to catch a heli at the field given their cost, complexity and required dedication. Never a young guy flying one either, or much greater than hover .. Although electronics, size and lithium power have produced tremendous growth, likely greatest ever in the past 10-12 years, the dedicated type simply seem to be fewer and far between.

Raz

06-13-2016 03:06 AM
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Aaron29

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USA

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Is the fixed wing segment suffering from the same downturn?

06-15-2016 04:04 AM
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icanfly

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ontario

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Die die die, you have a status quo on the heli sites with the obvious up front characters chiming in regularly, On a site like hf if you challenge the status quo you will be rode off if you don't sit back and mind your own business while staying out of the way of the regulars. Those regulars dictate the success of a site and as they fall off the site can diminish in viewership or welcome a new crowd. The internet rules the skies.

Nothing in helis is out front in the public eye, quads are the next hot and fancy flying toy that don't carry a threat of lacerations of the rc heli kind, rc helis are much more foreboding than quads. I think if you look at Roman P's death and the birth of a new era of quads they came at the same time.

Is rc heli flying dying? answer: no. Are there many newcomers to rc heli flying as there were a decade ago? answer: NO. It's on a huge downturn that's a fact because with rc helis nothing's new, nothing's exciting.

And when you have sites that ban people for no reason other than challenging the status quo rc heli sites are not gaining flyers their loosing fans of the interest. I was told of a guy who was banned from hf recently on the basis of "cannot work within the system" banned for life (as far as his ip was concerned)and for doing just that, challenging the status quo. I did awhile ago and also had the club doors slammed in my face.

it's only a toy, big toys for big boys, nothing more nothing less and there's a time for everything.

Answer to the op's question, yes but not dead completely. Some of us will be there till we die, younger ones glad to be rid of the deadwood dragging them behind. After all would you want grandpa's vintage 2000's fb 90 compared to a spanking new fbl/rescue _________________ (add favorite rc heli here) or multi rotor? granpa aint got one of doez, the relic don't fly.

And there's the economics of it all. For the first time I've been taking the purchase of a multi seriously, as of a week ago. Never thought I would go there as rc helis are fine, but multis are better than they used to be, compact simple small and can fly a cam without vibes, so watcha goanna doo?

250 quad props are $1.50, rc heli blades (450) $15 a pair on ebay, more for brand name. Most guys just want to fly and not "mess", now they can get that and for a fraction of the cost of rc helis.

You figure it out.

I like rc helicopters but they can be a heart breaker at times, especially when a person gets banned from hf snakebite style. Some rc heli guys really need to see a psychiatrist, especially some old fb era mods on hf, (lol)

happy days ahead, my next purchase is a quad.

06-15-2016 01:45 PM
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RM3

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Killeen, Texas - USA

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Romans death and Quads have nothing to do with each other...neither one was responsible for the other.

Quad came about by experimenting with the new MEMs gyros to make an unstable platform flyable.

by taking the complexity of Dozens of moving parts away from a flying model and simplifying it thanks do a multi-axis gryo/RX you made it possible to design and sell a very simple flying toy that could be piloted by a NON-pilot and mass produced with very little in the way of tooling and manufacturing personnel.

Hense the whole VTOL capability and aerobatics that made Helis so popular was overtaken by a similarly capable aircraft whose advantages were no more than 4 moving parts and near zero building and setup skill.

Helis are just being put on the back burner and shelved in favor of what sells fast and has the greatest profit margin in terms of cost of manufacture and the easiest to demonstrate flight abilities in store (wow the dad and kid at the hobby store and they will likely buy it).

We now live in a society that favors quick fast and cheap over hard earned skill and complexity. Drones fill that need for fast satisfaction at an affordable price. They also end up in the trash can after a few weeks for by kids that just want to play with them as toys.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

06-15-2016 02:55 PM
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icanfly

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ontario

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yes neither quad nor Roman had anything to do with each other except public perception of aerial toys, rc helis, and curiosity towards hover flying "drones" of some kind, any kind. Add the buzzword "drone" plastered all over every multi rotor platform and the recent media blitz regarding them, most rc helis and their genus take a back seat. Curious to see the whole fpv eye in the sky "military "drone" concept was first introduced in the 90's in a movie I saw a little over a month ago (I snapped some screen shots and should make my avatar one of those sometime), the drone was a rc heli.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

funny, vacuumed up four carpenter bees a few days ago, they couldn't escape the suction of the nozzle from four or less inches from the heavy duty shopvac hose. Then saw a Dragonfly navigate through 30mph gusts while staying low enough to take advantage of laminar flow drag along surfaces.

No mom wants to put their young man at risk of getting his head lopped off, dad may have his reservations, quads saved the day now go play 'cause everyone's happy with them.

06-15-2016 03:12 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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Silver Spring, MD by way of Sidney, Ne - USA

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I saw the Lone Ranger... I get some of GreyEagle, glad I don't get it all. He does crack me up on occasion. He does speak in tongues so I don't mind...

Of all the guys that start the heli program, many walk away, just too much to grasp and learn. The guys that stick, are few but dedicated. Even if they don't go far, they have been exposed and may return at a later date. Who knows... life generates other priorities.

06-15-2016 03:24 PM
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GREYEAGLE

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Flat Land's

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They do NOT want too Focus -T hey do Not want to do the Work or effort-

Have absolutely N0 - patience or the reality to see the Horizon if they apply them selves and the learning curve of education.

( Too Bank It for Future Use } Experience and Knowledge = Wisdom

Or too EARN IT - THE ARF Business is Good For the ARF Business

Want lil Caesars Pizza: HOt / Ready / Cheap / Instant. NOW

The DRONE debate is Just as Volatile : They do Not latch to the consequences - the PRIME of Ones SELF. They cannot add the puzzle pieces. THE OLD GUARD KNOW's they do NOT - NOT EXPOSE IT.

9- Toed Barneys

Wait ----- They use the Plausible deniability " We didn't think of that "

The Bumble Bee Technically should not FLY : But it DOES

Carry ON ! Go Forward

greyeagle

06-15-2016 04:41 PM
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banshee rider

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n.e. illinois

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I like rc helicopters but they can be a heart breaker at times, especially when a person gets banned from hf snakebite style. Some rc heli guys really need to see a psychiatrist, especially some old fb era mods on hf,
Oh please you didnt do nuffin right !

That's why you have 18 ignores on this site also right ?

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

06-15-2016 05:03 PM
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icanfly

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ontario

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haha, we can't go there right now, they hated Jesus.

A friend at a hs put the hobby interest of quads and helis this way, MARKET DRIFT.

One could theorize as to what is going on in the rc aviation business and hobby now ask yourself how many plankers are switching to quads and is it the same ratio as for helis?

You can't deny it, multis are fresh and new in the mass public eye, and go to a wall mart or toysrus and check out the cool quads they sell, they look cool and simple, simple to fly, and little to repair.

Rc heli pilots, 3d anyway, are the Einstiens of the world, think about it, thinking in all orientations, hard to do but worth the reward for the effort to crest that Everest.

You also have to consider flight times between all rc platforms, 3d rc helis the worst. You'll never make a 3d quad flight look as fantastic as an rc heli however, never, ever.

06-16-2016 01:08 AM
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conbones

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panama city beach FL

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i agree with icanfly HF can pound sand RR is better anyway its not so thin skinned. The libtards can ignore whoever offends them or dont like. Unlike HF who permaban those who have differing points of view and dare mention it.

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06-16-2016 03:22 AM
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icanfly

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if there were 5 mods on rr and statistics state 1 in 5 people have mental issues,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Fade, you can attribute market interest to fade and that is not necessarily a bad thing. It's a time to reflect, re-organize, re-establish good attitudes and continue to recognize rc helis are not going to go away. In fact I believe when all those new quad flyers get bored they may start looking to fly rc helis and at least have an extensive flight control skill set lowering the crash induced down time by miles compared to entering the rc heli interest initially.

I made the point of plankers leaving planks for quads and the ratio of migration from one to the other, I suppose curiosity will drive anyone interested in all things aviation to explore the quad to see how much fun it might be. Mention any new fangled toy like frizbees, yoyos, hula hoops, rc in general and time doesn't stop. The fads keep coming and going (there's that word fad-e)

For some it's all or nothing, for the majority it's about taking a little piece of as much as one has time for and rc helis and the clubs/air fields required for 550+ size helis is just too much to ask compared to the little quad (that can carry a cam and take smooth aerial vid/photos, what an incredible bonus).

Not preaching quads here, only pointing out some things to ponder.

Economically, rc helis can be very expensive, how many guys want to put $2k at risk of being lost in the blink of an eye? very small percentage. The >< $500 450 heli is inherently flawed to learn on (380 more stable) is every guy going to be forced to learn to wrench in order to fly one? you lost 75% of everyone right there. Even changing blades can be a trial for some, thus we come back to thin skinned "libtards".

'pologies for always the long wind answers (writing and comprehension practice, el-ohh-el)

06-16-2016 12:48 PM
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ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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For some it's all or nothing, for the majority it's about taking a little piece of as much as one has time for and rc helis and the clubs/air fields required for 550+ size helis is just too much to ask compared to the little quad (that can carry a cam and take smooth aerial vid/photos, what an incredible bonus).
We live in Canada, you can fly anywhere!, you can find a safe location.

I haven't paid club dues or MAAC for the last 8 years.

When I run out of flying buddies. I go visit the clubs to meet and then show them other cool places to fly
for me it's about saving money, time and still being able to fly with others

spending time, paying attention

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