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banshee rider

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RM3
it seems the biggest gripe based on what im reading is this:
brands are dying off... shops are closing...whats left is cheap garbage or so exclusive I cant afford it.
cause...
I own alot of those brands...and the shop I became accustomed to getting parts from has closed or the ones that are left I wouldnt trust with a balloon much less my CC number or paypal info.
so now Im stuck with crap no one wants, and I dont have the money to buy 4 kits for the sake of spare parts...worse im afraid of buying the next best thing out of fear that they are next on the extinction list.
that about it?
Yep if a person is a PESSIMIST that's about right

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

06-08-2016 01:00 AM
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RM3

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Killeen, Texas - USA

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well I just accepted that things change...

I accepted that the Radikals I have are garbage, the Trex I have is vanilla, and its up to me to make them better and just enjoy them when time permits. The only value they have is what I believe they have for me....

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

06-08-2016 02:27 AM
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spaceman spiff

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Summs it up? Absafrikinlutely! Anyone who has a few obsolete helis would agree 121.5%

I have to aknowledge that the new birds seem pretty damn awesome.

You can not teach a crab to walk straight.

06-08-2016 02:48 AM
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icanfly

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rc has always been a nerdy type interest and until young people get more involved it will stay the bane of social piriahs. Multis are making rc cool due to the amount of public awareness and fpv racing. You never had that combination with rc helis, fpv racing and aerial "drone" so not a lot of interest is being paid to bringing newcomers to the rc heli thang, the money is in the multis hands down.

So what appears to be a fading off isn't so much a dying but like all interests the generation to come will discover it after most of the unfriendly old guys move on, thus leaving the interest free of social complexities as with all interests. You have the old guys with fb gear, faded off if they didn't buy into fbl, now it's self level/rescue/hd, the older crew is spent and can't keep up and done their day. They'll say it's not like it used to be with everything a huge time and financial investment like it was when the new kids were still in diapers. The new generation to pick up a new age rc heli will be completely thankful for coming at a time with all the new fangled inventions rc helis have to make flying so much less expensive even with the initial investment, and prices will come down on all the gear that's still expensive relatively right now.

I' know in my heart that rc heli will be in a resurgence with the introduction of a new generation of product including all of the above stated advancements, and more (that which I am presently in r+d over in my very own market considerations, yes little ole moi)

Like all thing popularity is like breathing, in and it's like a new breath of life, out and it's an expulsion of all things spent and gone by, same goes for all things.

I wouldn't be too heart broken for your 5 plus year old rc toy, you just have to learn to adapt, I mean can you imagine an old Shuttle or Raptor with 120° swash/hv digital servos, auto level fbl, and few ugrades to canopy and skids to update it? I did to mine and looks great flies really good for what it was, big was 'cause it no longer is stock except a few things but that's what hot rodders do is take a write off and mess with it while turning it into a work of artisan perfection, but I guess not everyone possesses an imagination extensive enough to see the possibilities.

I wish I could keep it always short winded, you would not believe my nitro 550 Shuttle was an old dog way back compared to what it is now though I wouldn't hard 3d it without some upgrades in the motor, head, tail unit and a few drive line improvements, a Raptor is probably a better candidate and I have managed to re-engineer one for 120° swash plate on paper, and what about the Centurys?

So there you go, one day the kids will inherit the old birds and search the net on what options they have, rebuild it with the new stuff for a few bucks and not only are they in the air but are going to learn to fly and master the beast a lot faster and more cheaply that their old brothers and or fathers, just takes a little time to sink in I say.

and large helis eat up lots of sky, not everyone in cities have a place to fly that is big enough for the old 30/50/90's, that's where the quads take over, convenience.

Oh yeah, kids want the cell phone numero uno, toy heli very low on the list of cool things to own to attract the opposite sex, rc heli is predominantly a solo interest. Pick up a nitro and you start attracting other guys who love fire breathing ic toys with machete's for flying, lost all girls right there.

rc helis will always have a special place, enjoy yours when you feel like, it's really fantastic at this state from a technological standpoint.

06-08-2016 03:30 AM
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banshee rider

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n.e. illinois

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Every heli I own except a couple are either obsolete isn't made anymore or not imported anymore

I own 2 raptors V2'50's both retired not going to bother trying to find parts

2 Bergen's don't know if parts are available or not one is a crashed gasser.
the other has been scavenged for parts its a 60 size Intrepid

2 Hirobo's neither are current model's = no parts

1 Min Air Excel 46

and whats left of a TSK mystar

1 old T rex 700N 1 Trex 700n/helibug gasser
these 2 I can get parts for as far I know still but for how much longer ?

The only actually current heli's
I have are a Synergy N5C
And a Freya 90

But I am not going to whine about it!
This hobby is what it is
R.C anything is just like a cell phone or a laptop in 2 weeks after purchase its obsolete worth almost nothing

I have known this for years and I accept it for what it is
and I probably wont stop till I cant hold a Tx. anymore

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

06-08-2016 03:55 AM
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icanfly

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so I see that and think, will my Shuttle adapt two 450 motors with an adapted gearing on e should it strip a gear or break a clutch or something that can't be found, mess with the gamut of parts, 'cause its there for the making.

make it fly, it's the flying not the heli anymore,,,at least that's what has been managed, ehh it's great seeing the flying up there.

keep flying

06-08-2016 04:09 AM
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wjvail

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Meridian, Mississippi

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I am the problem - and people like me.

I've been modeling for 50 years and flying helicopters for 30.

I joined my local club almost 25 years ago. Back then we were a dedicated group of 10 to 15 modelers having fun on a Sunday afternoon. I made it my goal to get some younger guys in the club and leave the hobby better than I found it.

Over the 25 years in this club I have spent countless hours in the Mississippi heat helping other modelers with both airplanes and helicopters. I have given the lecture on pitch and throttle curves so many times I'm nearly ill when the subject comes up. But hey, it's all part of the learning, right?

The payoff for all of these efforts is.... Anyone want to guess? Nothing. We are the same 10 to 15 guys. There is no new generation. The only difference in our club now is, now I have early signs of skin cancer.

My response to this revelation? How have I dealt with this new understanding of life in our club? I don't help people any more. Unless I know you, don't expect me to give you the pitch and throttle lecture. I can't do it again.

30 years ago I read Ray Hostelers book and build an X-Cell .60 1001 kit. If I passed along what I learned to 20 people, and they passed the learning to just 2 people, and so on, the world should have many, many modelers.
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So the usual cycle began again this past Sunday. This weekend someone (a friend) came to me with a used Tarot 450 and said he had bound it to his radio but the blades were spinning really fast and he said the tail servo was broken because it wouldn't center.

Dear god. Not again.... I just can't.

Still, I asked him if he programmed his radio. The response was, the guy he bought it from tried to give him a lot of numbers but he didn't know or care about all that. And then the inevitable - "I just want to fly."

At that point I did the only thing I could think of. I finished fueling my heli, started it, put in some ear buds and went for a flight. When the flight was over I found a reason to not talk to him. It was the most adult way I could think of to deal with a situation I can no longer tolerate.

Does this make me a bad person? Am I the problem?

Bill

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

06-08-2016 03:35 PM
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Aaron29

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Does this make me a bad person? Am I the problem?
No. Absolutely not. You aren't there to make up for a person's lack of true interest. No one is entitled to your expertise. Especially if they won't put any effort into their hobby and "just want to fly."

I personally will give someone help if they meet me half way. I'll point to the information. I'll give a hand when I see effort. But I need them to meet me halfway. Because in the end, I'm here at the field today to FLY, just like everyone. Every minute I spend setting up someone elses stuff (because they didn't bother to put their personal time into it) is time I don't get to relax or fly.

A true modeler is interested in more than just wiggling the sticks. Setup is a foundation to modeling. And it has to be learned by all. Everyone crashes at some point, and will have to do their own setups. Now is as good a time as any to learn. And I'm certainly not setting up their heli every time they crash. I have enough of my own stuff I'm working on.

I'm finding that someone not "getting it" is usually because they aren't trying. I can usually tell by the questions they ask if they've bothered to do any research. If they ask "what's a pitch curve?" Ugh. I'm with you. I'll simply tell them, "This is an in depth subject. You'll want to read Ray's manual." If they ask a more informed question, such as, "what should my top and bottom pitch be?" I'll give them my opinion. I meet half way. Out of self respect.

I've actually had someone hand me an unfamiliar radio, and the manual, asking me to set up their end points. I read the manual and set it up, not realizing that because of the unfamiliar radio, they were as qualified as I was to do that! Those days are gone. I haven't the patience for this. I've learned to realize when I'm just being used.

Don't fret it. You aren't there to make up for other people's lack of true interest. Don't beat yourself up. It's not your job, it's your hobby.

For too long we've placed it upon the older generation to "get the younger generation into the hobby." That's BS. No one "got" me into the hobby. I stuck with it all including the learning curve because I wanted it badly enough. Someone unwilling to do any effort isn't going to last long anyway. The burden is theirs to bear, not yours.

06-08-2016 03:48 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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Silver Spring, MD by way of Sidney, Ne - USA

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I am going to have to charge you $90/Hr for listening to your "problems". You have to supply your own couch.

I understand where you are coming from.

06-08-2016 03:49 PM
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Steve Graham

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Denver, CO

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I feel similar WJVAIL,

I haven't been in it nearly as long as you but my fascination with flying things lead me to spend a vast amount of time researching the things I needed to in order to get going with this hobby. The ready availability of information via the internet has made the hobby vastly more accessible. I can only imagine how hard good RC hobby information was to come by pre internet. If the quality of print media with it's paid advertisements masquerading as evaluations are any gauge they were of little value. Still it seems a lot of people are incredibly lazy when it comes to their own education. I've freely tried to pay forward the efforts of others as I was able. I've always told people I'm helping that I expect that they will do the same for someone else as payment for my time and energy. Some have, some haven't when they left the hobby a short time later. Seems like the story of life and I will continue to give as I'm able but take care of my own needs as well.

06-08-2016 04:20 PM
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RM3

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Killeen, Texas - USA

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The "I just want to fly" group is the same lot that will dump the hobby months if not weeks down the road...

Those that deserve help are those that we see struggling on their own to make the best of what they have. They sit there on the benches, fiddle with settings, watch others fly, hover a bit, crash and keep trying...and keep trying even with substandard gear cause they dont know any better. They join the group, they help others where they can with limited knowledge and resources...the key is that they try.

Those that are not interested in the long term are looking for an app for that...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

06-08-2016 04:56 PM
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Aaron29

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RM3 you have a way of saying exactly what I mean with far fewer words. LOL

06-08-2016 04:58 PM
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icanfly

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anyone expecting instant gratification could be in it for all the wrong reasons. All vehicles have a learning curve and simplifying the rc heli in terms of what it compares to is as easy as being like a basket ball balanced on the tip of your fingers for extended periods of time or a Seal balancing a ball on it's nose, those things and many many other abilities take perseverance, dedication, willingness to learn, technical and mental focus skills and intensely so or a crash is inevitable. Learning to fly a rc heli confidently will take a considerable amount of time, you get out what you put in. My first cp flight lasted 6 seconds, now I could fly for an hour or all day for that matter.

did I mention my nitro Shuttle ZX not an ancient anymore Shuttle ZX got 15 minutes of flight time last time it was up? no, I didn't, inspiring on 250ml of nitro fuel compared to 3 lipo changes for an e-copter in the same time, but it's not a modern or high powered motor and airframe so it's not something you play hard with, this is the hobby, MILESTONES and SURPRISES.The Shuttle sure surprised the heck out of me but the video time don't lie, whoowee very cool birthday present to me.

more to come no doubt.

Not everyone is so inclined.

06-08-2016 06:02 PM
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Dr.Ben

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I'll continue to teach as long as people need help. The key word here is teach. Teaching means you help but expect the student to carry their share of the work, because that's where the real learning occurs. That means you don't just do it for them. If someone comes up with a statement like Bill got about only wanting to fly and not caring about the details, those people are certainly entitled to help as well, but they perhaps should address their needs to someone who provides such services for a fee.

When I go to funflies I still get people who come up that I've helped years and years ago. The ones you really teach remember and are grateful forever. That's why I keep doing this stuff.

Ben Minor

Team Synergy Team Futaba Team Kontronik USA
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06-08-2016 06:58 PM
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keiser BLADE

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WV USA

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Bitter old men, u are the problem, just kidding guys Im 31 been into rc craft since I was 8 and I fully know where ur coming from, I dont mind to help out, but im neither gonna hold someones hand and hand feed them, if they want it then need to earn it just like we did. Heck sometimes I need help myself lol

Brandon

06-08-2016 07:18 PM
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Aaron29

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Bitter old men
Maybe. But who made them that way?

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ICUR1-2

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Bitter old men
Maybe. But who made them that way?
Good point

1 of my pet peeves is when you're asked a question that is answered in the first two pages of the manual.
2nd pet peeve is when they lie about reading the manual

spending time, paying attention

06-08-2016 07:38 PM
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RM3

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manual? what manual?

google that $hit....

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

06-08-2016 08:04 PM
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icanfly

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you don't go into many hobbies thinking 95% preparation and 5% flying then after a few years the number might be 50/50, and finally the other way around when you completely master it, maybe ten years later for some folk. All the other rc hobbies don't have those kind of numbers off the bat, out of the gate, etc.

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jimmymc2286

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NO

The hobby isn't dying. It is going through a change. I went to IRCHA in Muncie a few years ago. Could not believe what I saw. Helicopters everywhere, doing things I thought could not be done. The pilots were just kids. They were flying models that cost thousands of dollars each. The crowds would yell lower, lower until the kid would hit the ground. Everyone would cheer, and the kid would smile and go pick up the pieces. Just about everything about that was wrong. I knew then that this part of the hobby was going to be short lived.
A person that spends that kind of money. Puts the time in to building a model. And learns to fly that well. Would not want to crash to please a crowd. No one I fly with would be yelling to do something that would risk anyones aircraft. This was different.
I found out the kid didn't pay for the heli he was flying. He didn't even build it. He was flying for a company that paid him and gave him the helicopters. That was also the first time I heard the saying if you are not crashing you are not pushing yourself hard enough, and you are not going to learn new stuff.
Today the young man doing that unbelievable flying is not even in the hobby. The company he was flying for is gone. One of the company reps said that 3D was what everyone really wanted to do. And there was not reason to build anything else. I told that rep then that 3D only pilots will not stay in the hobby. Only modelers will stay. That is the people to market too.
Don't get me wrong. Modelers like 3D. But they like anything that flys. 3D only guys will not be around long. The companies that only build for a segment of a hobby that has no long term customers, can only fail. What we are seeing is the end of a fad, not the end of a hobby.
Helicopters are hard to fly, expensive to buy, and take a lot of up keep. That will always make them a smaller market. Companies will step up to fill the market for us hobbiest that want to fly them. We are not mainstream, nor will we ever be. But we will be around in one form or another.
The fad now is Quads and FPV. Will it allways be the top of the hobby. No, just like the heli market. It will rise for a while and then fall to the next fad. The guys the only fly Quads will leave and move on to the next big thing. And the modelers will still be here flying everthing that flys.

Now where is my glow plug driver?

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

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