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So when is Align going to start offering non-DFC as an option on new models?

Dino Spadaccini

Elite Veteran

USA

you can get kits without the FBL 3gx unit now check it out

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11-16-2012 Over year old.
TomC

Key Veteran

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Yes you can 'buy' v2 heads (and mainshaft) to convert it to non-dfc, but at an additional cost.

The only current Align kits that our distributor carry's that does not include a 3gx are flybarred models, lol!

If you want us to 'check it out' maybe a link would be handy, thanks.

Cheers,
TomC

Nqx,Mcpx-BL,300x,450x,500x,550x
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11-17-2012 Over year old.
Waco

Senior Heliman

Bernalillo, New Mexico USA

Yeah, big guy where is the link? Cheers, Waco

11-17-2012 Over year old.
Wynn1427

Senior Heliman

Ca. 93612

Not a huge fan of the dfc head personally. Sad to see this as a standard in the kits. So will align be offering that conversion in kit form for v2 head or are we left to buy all the pieces separate?

Wynn

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11-17-2012 Over year old.
raptor50luvver

Key Veteran

PE

11-17-2012 Over year old.
TomC

Key Veteran

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

OK if you are buying direct from the Align TW shop. Even then, the discounted price without a 3gx unit is only ~$114. Better than nothing I guess, lol!

Does not address the non-dfc option topic btw.

Cheers,
TomC

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TT X50E 10s, HC3-Sx
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11-17-2012 Over year old.
raptor50luvver

Key Veteran

PE

Not just Align tw,uk retailers sell those options also,agreed does not addresss the non dfc issue,lol

http://www.fast-lad.co.uk/store/t-r...xw-p-21548.html

11-17-2012 Over year old.
ICUR1-2

Veteran

Ottawa, Ontario

that site is useless you can not buy from align direct
your hobby shop might be able to order those kits

11-17-2012 Over year old.
raptor50luvver

Key Veteran

PE

They are ex works kits from Align with a designated part number,any retailer can stock them as they would any other combo or kit.


UK retailers sell all these non 3GX combos,I assume eventually the US will be able to also,although most retailers would always offer to remove the 3GX from a full combo anyway to sell it for a lower price so in reality it won't change anything.

I personally don't think Align will offer anything other than DFC heads now on their kits which personally I think is a mistake,we should be able to buy either version of it.

11-18-2012 Over year old.
TomC

Key Veteran

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

I agree and think that this is a BIG mistake on their part. Hopefully they will see falling sales growth which might finally get them to change this.

Cheers,
TomC

Nqx,Mcpx-BL,300x,450x,500x,550x
Ion-x, 10s ,SS
TT X50E 10s, HC3-Sx
Logo14, 550 blades

11-18-2012 Over year old.
Waco

Senior Heliman

Bernalillo, New Mexico USA

Without Newby friendly machines and Align's focus on 3D performance the heli-hobby will soon be populated with crabby old guys. Yeah, just like the cliquish old plankers. Beat it kid! Cheers anyway, Waco

11-18-2012 Over year old.
gauiguy87

Heliman

mesa az

The 450 which the newbs fly is still offered in sport Flybar, pro flybar, NON DFC FBL, along with DFC FBL. If a newb is going out buying a 700 im sure a DFC is the least of there problems. Even tho the DFC performs with a newb setup.

11-19-2012 Over year old.
ddj74

Heliman

WINTER HAVEN, FL

Not hard to sell the dfc head and get what you want. Many hardcore 3d pilots need them when they crash. People constantly buy a kit and not use parts and sell them for aftermarket. It's not a big issue.

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11-19-2012 Over year old.
Waco

Senior Heliman

Bernalillo, New Mexico USA

Align no longer sells a complete FBL Non DFC head upgrade for the 450. As to newby friendly DFC I'm not sure that is true. I suspect set-up would require some compromises to dumb it down. I look forward to the first 4+ page topic on a newby DFC set-up.
Cheers, Waco

11-19-2012 Over year old.
gauiguy87

Heliman

mesa az

http://www.align.com.tw/shop/produc...roducts_id=3976

this is on aligns site... But what are you saying align DFC does that prevents newbs from using it?

11-19-2012 Over year old.
Waco

Senior Heliman

Bernalillo, New Mexico USA

guaiguy, thanks for the link. I was referring to an Align upgrade non DFC FBL head assembly. If I recall correctly they once offered such an upgrade for the 450 but now I believe you have to piece one together from individually packaged parts. As for newby tuning, Sorting it out has yet to be a topic here. IMO, the 450 Sport is a better newby platform. A 450 Sport combo version with the non DFC FBL head would be ideal. Cheers, Waco

11-20-2012 Over year old.
Wynn1427

Senior Heliman

Ca. 93612

So here we go, sat down to realize what the prices of this stuff would be to convert it back to standard head.

- H55007A - Rotor Housing - $30
- H60232 - Grip Arm - $17
- HN6119 - Swash Arms - $20
- H55047 - Linknage Rods - $8
- HN6101-00 - Swashplate - $42 (Don't believe that the new swash supports the old swash drivers)
- H60189 - Swashplate Linkage - $7 (for some reason the 550e swashplate is always a 600e pro that doesnt include the long linkage ball for the elevator servo).

$124 dollar v2 head upgrade (downgrade to others) instead of the $70 dfc conversion.

Wynn

Logo 550sx

11-20-2012 Over year old.
TomC

Key Veteran

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Hate to get off topic esp. on my own thread, lol!

The only way a newby can manage a dcf heli (since it needs a relatively high headspeed) is to drop the overall collective pitch down to say +/-9 degrees (-2 to +9 in normal flight mode) and soften the cyclic response.

To soften the cyclic response with a 3gx v2.1 you can just lower the aileron and elevator roll rates and/or increase the ailr/elev swash dampening (probably a combo of both). With a Bx you just need to lower your aileron and elevator atv's. This together with a bit of extra expo should help soften the cyclic response.

The main disadvantage of this kind of newby setup is lower runtimes imho. Also, because of the higher HS's the heli will probably sustain more damage in a crash. On small advantage is that with higher HS's the heli will be a bit more stable in windy conditions (which a newby probably should not be flying in anyway).

Cheers,
TomC

Nqx,Mcpx-BL,300x,450x,500x,550x
Ion-x, 10s ,SS
TT X50E 10s, HC3-Sx
Logo14, 550 blades

11-20-2012 Over year old.
TomC

Key Veteran

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

I can live with the Align's combi mentality since most of their electronics are at least useable. However, no way I'm ever going to buy a DFC-only heli ever and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Pretty sure that they will come around in the longterm and offer a choice. Otherwise they are going to continue to lose market share imho.

Cheers,
TomC

Nqx,Mcpx-BL,300x,450x,500x,550x
Ion-x, 10s ,SS
TT X50E 10s, HC3-Sx
Logo14, 550 blades

12-05-2012 Over year old.
TomC

Key Veteran

Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Hard to believe Align has not yet seen the light. We have had a lot of new heli guys at our flying field lately and none of them want to go Align if all they can buy is DFC. Shame really since they are still very good heli's imho.

Interesting to see that both new Goblins (770 and 500) have done away with DFC and gone to their HPS conventional swash drivers.

Cheers,
TomC

Nqx,Mcpx-BL,300x,450x,500x,550x
Ion-x, 10s ,SS
TT X50E 10s, HC3-Sx
Logo14, 550 blades

01-13-2013 Over year old.
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