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Vario Lama build

Mojave

Elite Veteran

Palos verdes Estates, Ca. USA

So, I got this vario Lama (allouette 2)from Joe at ECSH and finally had some time to start the build. It has Benzin mechs with custom direct to swash e-power frame set from RCexcels (contact ChristopherJ for more info). The frames are awesome with the direct to swash servo locations and the front section has been shortened to facilitate installing a full cockpit. They are also .120 thick 6061-T6 aircraft grade aluminum. The e-power benzin conversion kit is from Joe at ECSH. I'm using a 300KV Xera motor with 8mm shaft, Jive80HV esc, vbar 5.2pro. I'm also using the vario 3 blade head and blade set. More info to come...
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

10-24-2012 Over year old.
Jockobadger

Senior Heliman

Snoqualmie, Washington USA

Hey Barry,

Nice frameset! I'll be watching this one with great interest. Thanks for posting it. Are you going to really scale it out? Lamas are such cool heli's. I have the Hirobo vers waiting to be built - no time right now (I know you're familiar with that unpleasant refrain.) JH

Century Bell 47 III, RCA,700 UH-1N, Hirobo Lama, Logo 500, Logo 400, Trex 550e, HC3SX, Kontronic

10-24-2012 Over year old.
Christopher J

Elite Veteran

Kansas City, MO Californian lost in land of Oz

Looks very nice man! Looking forward to seeing how this continues to come together.
Lots of interest is being generated on frame set. I'm estatic to see how well it fit and all the room it left you. Keep up the nice work, your builds are always quality work.

Christopher J
same as I ever was
"Still all set & Flying the original"

10-24-2012 Over year old.
FloridaHeli

Veteran

jacksonville, florida

Barry

Nice build. Why isn't yours powder coated? Did you order it special as bare metal?

What motor, ESC and stabilizer will you be using?

Looking forward to following this build. Please include as much detail as you can.

Thanks for sharing.

My Hirobo:

This hobby is WAY too expensive!!

10-24-2012 Over year old.
Mojave

Elite Veteran

Palos verdes Estates, Ca. USA

Thanks guys

Florida: The kit came with bare stainless frame, I didn't order it special. I kinda wish it was powdercoated, that way I would have one less thing to do... It's the smaller (65" vario), maybe the larger version comes powder coated. I'll fly it and dial it in, then blow it all apart and paint/powdercoat the frame. The power combo info you requested is in the opening post

Chris: Thanks bud, much appreciated. I'm just happy that you sent me these frames to play with. This is going to be a very nice heli.

Jocko: yup, it's going to get a full cockpit. With these custom frames, you have a ton of room for full scale treatment with the wide open cockpit area.
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

10-24-2012 Over year old.
reaper31

Veteran

Littleton, CO, usa

nice barry,
i am sure it will be a nice build.
i got to be honest...i have lama on the brain myself after scale masters.

Robbert De Bock

10-24-2012 Over year old.
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Mojave

Elite Veteran

Palos verdes Estates, Ca. USA

I know what you mean Robert. I bought this one after last years scale masters... Lama fever

I added the wood reinforcement to the back of the cabin because I'm mounting the lipos under the floorboards. I plan to charge them in the heli. I hung the heli by the mainshaft and moved the lipos around to find the sweet spot. It required cutting the plastic center bulkhead out of the fuse. So I made another bulkhead out of wood and cut the original out. Then I made and aluminum lipo tray and tied it into the metal front frame bracket and used nylon spacers with bolts through the front section of the fuse. Since this is a thick vacuum molded plastic, I made a flat bracket that reinforces the fuse at the front and rear.

I have found that the hardest part of this kit was getting the tail driveshaft bearing brackets cut and fit into the tail lattice. Just be patient and let the brackets float before marking them to cut. They fit between the tubes, not over them. Make sure that you don't influence the brackets either way, as that will put a bow in the driveshaft. Also, the bearings sit in plastic cups that are pressed into the little bulkheads. They take a bit of pressure to get them installed. DO NOT GLUE THEM IN PLACE!! They need to float to accomodate the angle of the shaft as it passes through the bearing block.

I'm using the vario 3 blade head and scale blade set, but have not upgraded the tail to a 3 blade TR yet. I'll change it over some time down the road.

Note the "Z" bend in the TR pushrod. This is because even with it mounted under the bracket, the tail servo sits too high. I could lower it a bit with spacers, but there is a limit before it hits the tail rotor drive shaft. I'm using DuBro ball end links on both ends, with washers to insure that they will never fail.
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

10-25-2012 Over year old.
gonzalom

Veteran

Northern California

Very nice Barry! My new fellow Lama pilot! I am sure you are going to make a beautiful job! By the way I got something for you that would make the Lama even more scale! I would try to send it to you this Friday by mail. Barry yes I did powder coat my Lama! I had somebody done for me and it was perfect!

Gonzalo

10-25-2012 Over year old.
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Mojave

Elite Veteran

Palos verdes Estates, Ca. USA

I wish I could have afforded the big Starwood lama, but with 2 kids in college, it was not in the cards. You have peaked my interest Gonzo... I'll be looking forward to checking my mail daily.
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

10-25-2012 Over year old.
Krumrick2

Senior Heliman

Sao jose dos Campos Brasil

Hi Barry,

The Hirobo Lama was my first scale helicopter, that 7 years ago, I loved that heli, I tried during two years to buy the three blades rotor made by Hirobo without sucess. I become dissapointed and sold them.

Is't my dream have one big Lama, awesome beautiful helicopter !.

Good work,
Manuel.

10-25-2012 Over year old.
SSMKN2

Veteran

Rincon, GA

Looks pretty sweet Barry, can't wait to see the finished product

Joel
OH-58D/UH-60L Tech Insp
MD520N/500D/E
OH-58D,OH 6A, UH-1B
BK 117

10-25-2012 Over year old.
Mojave

Elite Veteran

Palos verdes Estates, Ca. USA

Thanks guys I need some suggestions for a paint scheme, but I don't want to do a rescue heli, just something comercial, with bright colors. I also need some detail pics of the exterior and cockpit. Does anyone know who makes quality cockpit asessories for this size lama?

Krum: I bet you wish you had kept that Lama, now that all these aftermarket 3 blade heads became available...
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

10-25-2012 Over year old.
doorman

rrProfessor

Sherwood, Arkansas

Another Great Looking Build!!!!

Hi Barry,
I just got a chance to take a look at your build..and as usual it is going to be a great looking heli, without any dought...
Couple of questions for you... you noted a z bend in the t/r pushrod, but I could not see it in the pic's, but I would suggest you do whatever is needed to use a straight pushrod...especially when you put the 3 rotor tail on it.... best to fix that one now, while it is easy to work on....
I had gotten a sneak peak of those side frames while at Christopher J's event, and I can see them being a MAJOR hit!!!! Very nice...
Also the second question is on leaving the batteries onboard to charge.. I do not know where the floor lays in, but could you make a removeable floor using magnets... (that is what I have in the 47) so that you could get them out quickly if you needed to??
I have done the same and feel that if you get an extension on the balance cable so that you can use that while charging will definetly make things a lot safer.. but if there is anyway to pull them, we both know that is the safest way....
Just some thoughts while checking out your handy work "bud"... keep on building, it will be a really good looking bird...
Good Luck, Stan

AMA 2918-Team JR, Spin Blades, East Coast Scale Helicopter,Castle Creations, Haiyin Battery

10-25-2012 Over year old.
Rckfish

Veteran

Little Rock,AR

Barry,
I believe I have a file still from my Lama build...let me see what I can send you.

On mine, just like Gonzolo, I had the frame and tail powdercoated. It was relatively inexpensive and super durable...

Paul

10-25-2012 Over year old.
Mojave

Elite Veteran

Palos verdes Estates, Ca. USA

Hi Stan, thanks for the constructive input. I may be able to drop the servo enough to use a straight pushrod, but it will definitely exit the push rod tube at angle, which will put drag in the linkage. I have found that drag in the op rod will cause the tail to hunt when the gyro is keeping center. We'll see if I can't minimize that. As far as the lipo charging is concerned: I agree, it would be safer to charge outside of the airframe, but the location of the lipos will make this difficult. I plan to extend the charge leads and balance leads, so that they exit the bottom of the cabin. That way I can balance charge the lipos. I plan to make the floor easy to remove, but given the size of the doors, it will have to be made in 2 pieces.

Paul, much appreciated! This one is a PITA to paint, as all of the metal sections of the vacuum formed fuse have to be taped and painted in to simulate the real sections. There are no lines to follow, like with a fiberglass fuse. It has to go from sanding, to primer, to rivets, to final paint, all with the striping tape in place, or I'll get tape line overlaps.
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

10-25-2012 Over year old.
satsuma

Senior Heliman

UK

Barry, nice buddy, here's my Vario Alouette2 i painted in Eli Ossola colours, nice and bright and easy to see lol.

And instrument panel i made for it.

Great heli, you will love it.
You are doing a great job.
Will follow your build with interest.

10-25-2012 Over year old.
Mojave

Elite Veteran

Palos verdes Estates, Ca. USA

Thanks, very nice Sats! I like the colors too. I really like your builds, you are a true modeller. I still need to fab a dummy fuel tank for mine. Do you have any more detail pics of your build?
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

10-26-2012 Over year old.
satsuma

Senior Heliman

UK

Hi Barry, thanks bud, will look through my build photo's.
The dummy tanks are made from curved balsa framework and covered in .5mm styrene sheet with 2 small metal tabs on that bolt to the frames, they JUST slide out downwards to remove them.

Some shots of under the floor how all the gear JUST fits heheh.

And completed canopy minus doors, painted framework and interior.


10-26-2012 Over year old.
Mojave

Elite Veteran

Palos verdes Estates, Ca. USA

Very nice Sats, much appreciated. What material did you use for the front access panel on the nose? Also, I'm curious why you didn't paint the horizontal fuse lines from the nose through the doors until after the basic fuse was painted?
Barry

All helis and planes have an expiration date stamped on them...you only find it after you crash!!

10-26-2012 Over year old.
satsuma

Senior Heliman

UK

Barry, hi

The nose detail/panels are made from .75mm and .50mm styrene sheet.
The reason i left the horizontal painted framework was so that when the doors were fitted, i would be sure the frame lines matched the doors perfectly.
Also i primed the yellow area first which gives the inside a nice even grey finish rather than allowing light to show through the base yellow colour.

10-26-2012 Over year old.
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