Rules are for idiots. Smart people stay back without having to be told. The ones who choose to be close either make a decision to be there or are just plain stupid. They deserve what they get with the risk. Problem with this country lately is that there are too many rules and laws and not enough natural and logical consequences. People don't learn from laws, they learn from experiences or witnessed consequence.
+1 for smaller government! Tis the election season.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

That's still going to be a problem because when that individual hits them self their lawyer is still going to sue everyone they can.

and if they aren't 3d'ing and something happens, they won't get a lawyer? Just putting a heli in the air is putting the risk out there, I don't care what type of flying you are doing at the time. It's takes a level of personal responsibility to accept the risk to fly and/or be a spectator.

If you want to make it the easiest for liability questions, make all spectators, pilots and vendors sign a release of liability waiver when in the vicinity of flying rc helicopters and that they are there at their own risk.

I know how it works, but I, as a responsible adult, have little patience for idiots as I get older.

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and if they aren't 3d'ing and something happens, they won't get a lawyer? Just putting a heli in the air is putting the risk out there,

That's very true but when you run the heli out about 500 yards away and then bring it back directly at yourself and the pits and people behind you with the throttle pegged and the nose down to get that awesome FART when you do a wall stop 10 feet from the flight line...That's a little more risk than hovering 100 feet out and 50 feet up.

If something breaks at that godawful perfect moment...that heli is aimed at the crowd at 85-120 mph....Is it too much to ask that the crowd get a 50 foot warning from the time the flyer knows he lost it?
Maybe 50 feet that the heli has to hit the ground before a group of lawn chairs?

There are two types of people in the world..#1.People who can extrapolate iinformation from context

That's a little more risk than hovering 100 feet out and 50 feet up.

Yes, but do they take off from 100 feet out and 50 feet up? My case in point is that I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe that a failure doing a manuever such as that is any more probable than a failure while hovering around.

And even people just 'gently flying around' there is more than enough times that a heli is flying towards the pits, it is inevitable. It's kind of like that invsible danger, the one that is the most unassuming is the one that causes the most damage.

I know how it works, but I, as a responsible adult, have little patience for idiots as I get older.

Same here.

and if they aren't 3d'ing and something happens, they won't get a lawyer? Just putting a heli in the air is putting the risk out there, I don't care what type of flying you are doing at the time. It's takes a level of personal responsibility to accept the risk to fly and/or be a spectator.

If you want to make it the easiest for liability questions, make all spectators, pilots and vendors sign a release of liability waiver when in the vicinity of flying rc helicopters and that they are there at their own risk.

Of course they will, but it all starts with an accident. Also, if you invite spectators then you need to provide a reasonable level of safety. You cannot expect spectators to understand the inherit risks.

Those waivers usually don't hold up in court.

Waivers have held up in court as well as not held up in court. Usually when a waiver is not held up in court, it is because it was not detailed enough and something happend that was not indicated in the waiver. Its better than nothing and if the waiver is as exact as possible as to the activities going on there and inherent dangers, its far more probable that it would be held up in court than not.

So what is everybody really driving at here? Having a little common sense while flying or is this really about rule making and limiting pilots?

I would really hate to show up at a funfly or flying field to find a sign that read something like...

Attention pilots,
No piroflips
No tick-tocs
No hurricanes
No flips
No inverted flying
No backwards flying
No fast foward flight
Hovering is acceptable, but only 100 ft out and 50 ft up while using a buddy-box.

That may sound absurd, but start making rules and you will be surprised how far it can go. By its very nature, this is a dangerous hobby. So are countless other hobbies, and yet people are still enjoying them even with the inherant dangers. I will practice common sense when operating my machines, but I really don't want to see my hobby regulated and restricted to the point of no longer being any fun. I doubt that it would ever really happen, but slippery slopes abound.

Waivers have held up in court as well as not held up in court. Usually when a waiver is not held up in court, it is because it was not detailed enough and something happend that was not indicated in the waiver. Its better than nothing and if the waiver is as exact as possible as to the activities going on there and inherent dangers, its far more probable that it would be held up in court than not.

I disagree on how well they hold up in court. Your mileage may vary.

I agree the better it's written the better you may be able to protect yourself. However, getting one well written usually means written/reviewed by an attorney which means an additional expense that most clubs don't want to incur.

While the AMA provides many forms for clubs/events I don't recall seeing spectator waiver. Does one exist?

I would really hate to show up at a funfly or flying field to find a sign that read something like...

Attention pilots,
No piroflips
No tick-tocs
No hurricanes
No flips
No inverted flying
No backwards flying
No fast foward flight
Hovering is acceptable, but only 100 ft out and 50 ft up while using a buddy-box.

That may sound absurd, but start making rules and you will be surprised how far it can go.

It really does sound absurd.

Does a sign that says "Spectators must remain 50 feet from the flight line" sound that absurd?

Fun flys are predominately for the flyers....If you come to just hang out and watch...stay out of the way.

There are two types of people in the world..#1.People who can extrapolate iinformation from context

Does a sign that says "Spectators must remain 50 feet from the flight line" sound that absurd?

That's the kind of sign that I wouldn't mind seeing at all.

I remember a kid flying a 450 in the pits and over my golf cart at IRCHA 2012. Totally absurd.

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"TMoore" Redneck night flying has to go, no more of that at any event. All it takes is one ball link, or one failed servo or electronics part and the model is a projectile. The Conga lines at the pilot stations don't work either.

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