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How to make nitro fuel??

Justin Stuart (passed)

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

I bet if you lived in China, you could make your own very high quality 30% nitro fuel for $6 to $8 a gallon. Lucky Chinese.

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04-07-2012 Over year old.
jimmymc2286

Senior Heliman

Commiskey, Indiana USA

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I have been mixing my own fuel for at least 20 years. Never hurt an engine and home brew burns just as good as the name brands. Our elected leaders have made it harder for us to get the nitro but the oil and methanol are not a problem. I paid 3.15 a gallon for the last methanol, the oil I bought when it was 5.00 a quart. I bought 2 cases and still have about a case, and the last gal. of nitro cost 49.50 shipped. I got it 2 weeks ago. The oil I use is 80% synthetic and 20% caster. It is not rocket science, not dangerous, unless you are an idiot, 3 components mixed in the proper amounts. That's it.
The additives most talk about are in the oil that the blenders use and are the same as in the oil I use, and you will be using if you mix fuel.
The best thing about mixing your own, when I run low on fuel I go to the garage and make a gal. anytime I need it.

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
Muddin_Mavric

Senior Heliman

Vesper WI

where did you get the nitro for $50 shipped? so far all the link that have been posted were around $60. i allways wanted to make my own fuel but up until now the only place i had ever found that sold nitro was over $100 a gallon shipped. and for that its not worth it. if i could get it for $50 i would order me up a gallon this weekend.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
jimmymc2286

Senior Heliman

Commiskey, Indiana USA

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I got it from TORCO RACING FUEL. I just went to their site and it is now 50.23 and doesn't show free shipping anymore. I should have ordered 4 gallons.

I found this link for 49.95 with free shipping.

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
Rotormaster

Veteran

Australia

You know, on second thought. If you were to nitrate methanol using a mixture of concentrated nitric acid + concentrated sulfuric acid, you'd get a single SN2 reaction product. So fractional distillation would not be needed. But you would still have to distill the mixture to get rid of the nonvolatile acids.
H2SO4 + HNO3 + CH3OH ---> CH3NO2
Yeah, it's way too much work and expense. Unless you're stranded on a deserted island, and the only way to get nitro fuel is to make it yourself, then it's just not worth the hassle.
Ok, but let's say you wanted to make nitro fuel yourself (and you're on a desert island with all of the plants, sticks, rocks, and berries you need.
#1. Get yourself a bunch of wood and heat it up inside of a container with no oxygen. This will give you a bunch of toxic byproducts, but some of them will include methanol.
#2. Dig up some sulfur from the ground. Burn the sulfur in the air and collect the vapors in a tub of water. This will give you sulfuric acid.
#3. Burn some trash with just a little bit of air to get some nitrogen dioxide which you'll collect the vapors in a tub of water. This will give you nitric acid.
Hey, and to make the motor, you can set up your own hydroelectric dam and then electrolytically purify clay into aluminum.
Hahaha, made my day.

Cheers!


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04-07-2012 Over year old.
Jacoub

Veteran

Kuwait

jimmymc2286

Just tell the chemistry guy (( Justin)) he told us that to make your nitro fuel it will be more expensive and more dangerous and more ................................................ and more ................................. and moooooooooooorrrrreeeeeee

04-07-2012 Over year old.
CX1

Key Veteran

Canada

I agree with Justin
If you made nitromethane from scratch it could be dangerous.especialy if you have 0 experience in chemistry

and in the end it will cost you more only to end up with an unknown,untested product.

but feel free to try it and satisify your curiosity

" Team Protoast "

04-07-2012 Over year old.
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Justin Stuart (passed)

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

This is a video of how to nitrate methanol using mostly homemade equipment. I'm not too keen on the music or the safety of their laboratory, but you can see the basic technique. The key to any nitration reaction is to keep the mixture very cold, and to add the acid slowly. You also need to keep some baking soda close by to neutralize any spills, and also to keep plenty of running water on hand in case you get acid in your eyes.

Watch at YouTube

In this second video (which is of higher quality than the first), the guy is nitrating cotton (to make guncotton), but the overall technique for nitrating methanol (or nitrating anything else) is pretty similar. You are essentially just combining the two acids and adding it (slowly) to the reagent you're nitrating. Then afterwards, you need to do some purification and/or extraction.

Watch at YouTube

You can buy a gallon of concentrated nitric acid for less than $15, and a 500mL bottle of concentrated sulfuric acid for less than $10--which is probably enough to nitrate at least a few gallons of methanol. With a mixture of concentrated nitric acid and concentrated sulfuric acid, you can nitrate anything. You can nitrate a pair of gym socks and make them into an explosive (nitrocellulose). You can nitrate old 35mm film and make them into an explosive (nitroacetate). You can nitrate glycerine and make it into...well...nitroglycerine (another explosive). You can nitrate tolulene to make TNT (yet another explosive).

So as you can see, the nitration of methanol is essentially the same thing as all these other reactions, so by synthesizing nitromethane you are, in essence, preparing an explosive. SO BE CAREFUL!!!!

Making your own nitromethane from scratch would be a fun experiment to attempt if you could find a safe place to do it, but it's definitely not something you would want to try unless you've had some formal training.

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04-07-2012 Over year old.
rexxigpilot

Elite Veteran

Florida

The original post with the You-Tube video showing some idiot making glow fuel with gasoline was a good reminder to not trust most things posted on You-Tube or the internet in general. What a buffoon!

No one in their right mind is going to make their own nitro! A good way of getting bulk quantities of pure nitromethane and methanol is from the top fuel racing teams at one of the NHRA events. Go to the pits between rounds and bring yourself about three or four 10 gallon containers and some help to lug them back to your vehicle. Most teams will sell it to you and at a very reasonable price. The last time I checked on the price of nitro it was about $11/gallon in bulk. That was right before the price shot up before the Beijing Olympics in 2008. Don't know what the price is today, but I'm certain it is not anywhere close to $50/gallon.

My family used to be big into RC racing events back in the 80's. All our fuel was homebrew. Most of the racers back then made their own fuel. You could not even find fuel with the nitro levels we were using. We would make batches of 40 gallons at a time. The cost to make our own was about half the price of commerically available fuel back then.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
Jacoub

Veteran

Kuwait

Justin Stuart

Firstly thank you for your videos and your time.

So what do you want to say it isn't easy< it isn't just buy nitro and methaniol and oil and just mixing them like a juice????

If it isn't I will buy my nitro fuel from my local hobby shop.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
rexxigpilot

Elite Veteran

Florida

Exactly Jacoub. If you can measure and mix, all you have to do is get the ingredients cheap. The anti-whateverthefukk agents added by the manufacturers is mostly just marketing hype. You don't need the additives. Get the nitro, methanol and lube (Klotz is good); mix in proper proportions by volume, then shake/stir. It's that simple. You will have to store your homebrew in an air-tight container (it is hygroscopic, absorbs atmospheric moisture), at a cool temp and away from sun light to keep it fresh. Good luck.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
Jacoub

Veteran

Kuwait

rexxigpilot

Well, thank you that was the best answer for me.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
Jacoub

Veteran

Kuwait

Our next issue is,
Is it much cheaper to buy your own nitro fuel?

04-07-2012 Over year old.
jimmymc2286

Senior Heliman

Commiskey, Indiana USA

does it cost less

That depends on where you get your components. I have been able to mix my fuel for about 70 to 75% of market. So yes it saves me money. As for Justins response it is not within reason to try and make nitromethane at home, or methanol, or the oil either. Just buy your nitro, methanol, and the oil and mix them. The oil I use is KLOTZ 80 20 synt. caster blend. I just came from the field where I run a half gal. through my Raptor 30. Klotz smells so good.

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
Jacoub

Veteran

Kuwait

jimmymc2286

WOooooooooooooooooowwww, thank you so much, I hope that I can make my own, I like nitro so much.

RR enjoy this.

And thanks for all RR.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
Jacoub

Veteran

Kuwait

jimmymc2286

Just I need a picture or website for this klotz oil please.

04-07-2012 Over year old.
jimmymc2286

Senior Heliman

Commiskey, Indiana USA

here you go

http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p...te-2-Stroke-Oil

Jimmy, If it looks like a heli I like it.

04-08-2012 Over year old.
BK479

Senior Heliman

usa

jimmy and i mixed some fuel the other day he was showing me how to do it and i have to say i will be mixing my fuel for now on and it runs great. I was useing store bought fuel and i think jimmy's home brew runs better.

Thanks jimmy

04-08-2012 Over year old.
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