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30 size nitro helis?

heliman41&1/2

Senior Heliman

Florida

Hello,

Are they stopping the production of 30 size nitro helis? I couldn't find where JR, XCELL or Hirobo even make them and TT isn't keeping supplies up on theirs. Is the industry fazing out this class of heli?

Just wondering...

Rusty

10-22-2011 Over year old.
dchekas

Key Veteran

Farmington, CT

They've unfortunately become pretty unpopular.

It's a shame, because they're great machines to start out with.

One guy at our field has a Raptor 30 and gets 15-16 minute flight times with one. He's progressed tremendously, and I believe it's because of all the practice he gets for very little fuel consumption.

They just don't have the power to really do any of the more demanding maneuvers. That's why the .50 size Nitro machines have really taken over: They can do anything.

Align~Futaba~Byron Fuels~Thunder Power

10-22-2011 Over year old.
Band1086

Elite Veteran

Kennewick, Wa. USA

Back when the R30 came out, I learned to fly mild 3D and fly at 3 feet inverted, because they were so easy to work on and cheap to fix.
It was a smooth heli but the head dampening was too soft as I had a couple of boom strikes. When we started putting 50's in and extending the boom with better dampeners, it became obvious that the 32 was woefully underpowered. That is probably why they aren't popular anymore. You may be better off looking at a Trex 550(electric 30) because if you turn the head speed down flight times go up dramatically. Also, they are easy to work on and cheap to fix, with parts everywhere...very popular machines. It's the high tech version of the R30.

ProgressiveRC, Tammies Hobbies

10-22-2011 Over year old.
jschenck

rrProfessor

La Vista, NE.

You can buy a Raptor 50 kit and ask around here for the R30 fan, engine mount and gears - probably get it super cheap. Then you'd have all the parts to put a 50 in when you want. It's really the only difference between an R30 and an R50. Another option is to look at Century Hawk or Kyosho Caliber. I'm sure you can find a 30 size kit if you look around. Plenty of used ones to buy and they go cheap too.

Team GrandRC

10-22-2011 Over year old.
CX1

Key Veteran

Canada

the current 30 size nitro's are too heavy for a 37 to get a decent power to weight ratio, put in a os50 and it gets better but still heavy for the rotor disc size.

I'am sure if someone were to make an airframe light enough it could regain some popularity

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10-22-2011 Over year old.
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dkshema

rrMaster

Cedar Rapids, IA

Kyosho was one of the biggies in the 30-class helicopter, starting with the Concept 30, followed by the Nexus, Caliber 30, and Caliber 4.

The Concept was pretty good for its time, but when Kyosho quit making them, they also just shut off parts support. That left a bad taste in the mouths of many -- a decent heli, but no parts to keep them flying. The Nexus followed up, but failed to meet up with the expectations of those Concept owners. It didn't fly as well, and for many, it was a giant step backwards for Kyosho. Great Planes/Tower Hobbies distributed the Nexus, and did a poor job at it. Many Nexus were sold as combos with substandard radio equipment (bottom line Futaba stuff). Trying to come back, Kyosho introduced the Caliber 30, which was a pretty darn good heli for the day, and for the available power, the OS32 SX-H. When the OS 37 SZ-H came out, teamed with a Caliber 30, it was a heck of a machine in the 30-class heli. It almost seemed that the Caliber 30 was introduced too early, it had to wait for the OS 37 SZ-H to come out before it could shine. By then, it was just a bit too late, however. The spotlight moved on.

Kyosho quietly killed off the Caliber 30, but vowed to keep parts flowing for awhile. In the end, they revamped the Caliber 30 some and produced the Caliber 4. The Caliber 4 was crippled with a hoky, weird flybar arrangement and cheap plastic head. It's performance was not up to par with the older Caliber 30, even with an OS 37 in the motor mount. For quite a bit more money, you could GET the old, decent Caliber 30 head, but the entire heli just ended up being way too expensive. Kyosho recently appears to have given up completely on helicopters, and have sold off the line to a third party who is trying to keep the brand alive as the Neo-Caliber. They are rolling electric versions, and FBL versions. But they don't seem to be marketing in the States these days. Few marketers seem interested in selling it here.

If you read Japanese...

http://www.quest-co.jp/index.html

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Hirobo's Sceadu 30 was actually a nice little machine, much better than the Shuttle ever was. With an OS 37, the Sceadu 30 flew exceptionally well. I don't know where the Sceadu 30 went, but most likely sales volume just dropped off. Hirobo has a following, and in spite of their helis being more expensive than the average bear, sells quite a few helis. Just not much in the 30-sized market these days. Many of their 30-sized offerings have scale fuselages as part of the package.

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Thunder Tiger cleaned up with the Raptor 30 V1 and V2. You can still buy the Raptor 30 V2, just check out the Tower Hobbies site. This is still probably your best bet for a 30-sized heli on the market today.

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Gohbee was popular with a Raptor 30 clone, but I don't recall them becoming a huge force in the 30-sized market. I don't know if they are still around, or not.

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JR, well their last 30 offering was the pathetic Venture 30 CP. Built like a brick, heavy, and you could use the frame to pound nails it was so tough. But since it flew like a brick and was exceptionally heavy, it didn't stick around long. JR more recently seems to just be having trouble selling helis that anyone actually wants anymore, let alone a 30-sized machine. It seems as if their 50-sized lineup had a new, better, offering every year, but they never seemed to come up with a reasonably priced winner.

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Century has their Hawk Pro, a somewhat popular 30 heli, but as I recall, not one of the most trouble-free helis on the market. You can still pick up one of those. This could be your second choice if you for some reason don't like the Raptor.

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There is really only one 30-sized motor on the market these days, that being the OS 37 SZ-H. That is a bit scary in and of itself. If this motor goes away, so does the motive force for all 30-sized helis out there. With volume sales dwindling, I can't see a reason for OS continuing to offer this motor much longer.

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Miniature Aircraft's 30 was a cool little, all metal, all good heli. Got to see one of those fly many years ago, it performed exceptionally well. I assume it didn't get a lot of market penetration as it cost far more than the plastic fantastics that were coming on the market. It went away quietly.

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The expansion of the electric heli is probably the single-most important reason for the demise of the 30-nitro heli. The Trex 500, though smaller than a Raptor, Hawk, or Caliber, has performance out the wazoo when compared to the 30-helis. The 550 heli, which IS a 30-sized heli, completely blows away ANY 30 heli currently available when it comes to performance and price.

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Dave

* Making the World Better -- One Helicopter at a time! *

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10-22-2011 Over year old.
helixangle

Key Veteran

Mamaroneck, NY - USA

Bravo dk...that was an awesome read!

I always appreciate learning how we arrived here

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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Band1086

Elite Veteran

Kennewick, Wa. USA

Miniature Aircraft's 30 was a cool little, all metal, all good heli. Got to see one of those fly many years ago, it performed exceptionally well.
Ah, an X-cell .30, that was my first heli. It flew very well, better that the R30, but was a bit heavier, more difficult to work on and of course more expensive. I still have it, but over the years it has been upgraded to a .46 graphite, and I don't fly it anymore. I just bought another one which will stay original.

ProgressiveRC, Tammies Hobbies

10-22-2011 Over year old.
ncostes

Veteran

Va, US

Century Hawk Pro is a 30 size w/a 40 engine

Great heli.

10-22-2011 Over year old.
heliman41&1/2

Senior Heliman

Florida

I like the 30/50 raptors. I have a few and a quite large part supply on hand. I started with the nexus and several of them and then had a shuttle zzx or is zxx? I am flying 2 of my raptors with a 50 boom and a TT 39 engine. It will not do 3d, but I can't do it anyway. It is quite light which fits what I like to do is autos. I tried installing a 46fx engine and it was terrible and would not run right. I tried all the mods listed when RR started, like using a supertigre carb turned down to fit. I ended with a 50sx and it was okay, but the larger tank and weight hurt the autos, so I changed the gears back to the 30 one and put the tt 39 back in. Those engine run great. It is odd why they aren't available???

It just seems that a fellow starting out is going to get started cheap like I did.

I started at the very first with a Xcell 30 at Ernie Huber's school. That is all he used. In fact he started with the OS 32F!!

I don't know, it is just odd how this hobby changes so quickly.

Regards

10-22-2011 Over year old.
jschenck

rrProfessor

La Vista, NE.

Raptor 30 3D video - No stick banging but they can fly some pretty sporty aerobatics

Watch at YouTube

Team GrandRC

10-23-2011 Over year old.
dkshema

rrMaster

Cedar Rapids, IA

and put the tt 39 back in. Those engine run great. It is odd why they aren't available
The TT39 was finicky, ran hot, and was a real bear to tune. Once you got it figured out, they were OK. But I'll bet there were a lot of new swear words invented by those who tried to get the 39's to run well.

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Dave

* Making the World Better -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Team Heliproz

10-23-2011 Over year old.
patriot21

Key Veteran

Byron,MN

Man..I love that video of szabo on the 30....maybe that is all I need anymore...I prefer that slower fluid 3d.....plus 15 mins a tank. Funny how people,myself included,go through every size of chopper thinking of the next best while the basic raptor 30 can provide a fun day of flying..

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10-23-2011 Over year old.
heliman41&1/2

Senior Heliman

Florida

Dave, I haven't had any trouble with either of mine. Not saying others haven't, but I like the TT39 better than the os32sx I have.

I guess one man's trash is another man's treasure applies here.

10-23-2011 Over year old.
dkshema

rrMaster

Cedar Rapids, IA

The 32 SX was OK, and as noted, if you could get consistent runs out of the TT39, it ran great. As I recall you had to get the idle needle pretty rich to keep the thing running in the air. I recall a mod to the low-speed needle to add a bit more taper to it, to make adjustment easier.

The OS 37 came out and chased a lot of the TT39s out into the darkness, however.

The Toki 40 came out as a viable alternative to the OS 37, but it never seemed to catch on. There was a lot of buzz generated by the Toki, but I think it never really made it past the buzz stage. I think they were a short-lived motor with regard to how well they ran. MECOA bought them out and is now the manufacturer/distributor for the Toki.

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Dave

* Making the World Better -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Team Heliproz

10-23-2011 Over year old.
heliman41&1/2

Senior Heliman

Florida

Perhaps some are mixing the major issues with the TT 36 with the 39. Now I was NEVER able to get a TT 36 to run right. That was an outright POS, in my opinion. Dave I did mod my idle needle on one of my 39s before running it, but the other I just left as is and it runs fine.

I have yet to try the OS 37. How is it compared to the TT 39 powerwise?

Does anyone know of any canopies on these newer 50 size helis that will fit the Rappy 30/50 V1 / V2?

10-23-2011 Over year old.
jschenck

rrProfessor

La Vista, NE.

Trex600E canopy will fit a Raptor with the front clip put on. Could also use one of the new Raptor se canopies

Team GrandRC

10-23-2011 Over year old.
D Pedersen

Heliman

Rycroft .Alberta .Canada

I think the Hawk 30 has been a great heli and is certainly 3D capable with a OS37 installed.The first Hawk I flew was when the Hawk II came out.I had about 4 buddy's all flying them,so I helped with alot of setup and teaching.Great heli and easy to work on. Here is a video of what a New Hawk Pro can do with the right pilot of course.The OS 37 is on par with the Toki 40. Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlxS4yVXDkg

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10-23-2011 Over year old.
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CX1

Key Veteran

Canada


" Team Protoast "

10-23-2011 Over year old.
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gboden

Heliman

Killeen, TX

The Hawk Pro was my first heli when I started flying in 2007. It was a great heli to learn on and lasted until April of this year. The counter drive shaft actually sheared off just below the drive gear ending in a less than graceful fall from 30 ft. I haven't had a chance to tear it apart and fix it. It went on its shelf in the hangar as this was right before I left for Afghanistan. The heli had no maintenance done to it either over 4 years. The only upgrades were a CNC fan and carbon blades. I was a little worried by this post and looked to see the kit version of the Hawk is out of stock on HW. There is still a full compliment of parts though. I have no idea how many gallons of fuel went through the OS 37 either but I can't seem to burn it up. 20 plus minutes of flight time too. I don't do 3D. Either way, I would hate to see it go with the rest of them.

10-23-2011 Over year old.
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