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Logo 400 comparison to the Trex 500?
smittylube

Senior Heliman

Santa Cruz, CA

I have been flying the rex 500 for some time. made it a vbar 500 and am pretty happy/very happy with it- however I am very tempted to pull it apart and put everything into a L400

I think the non driven tail is the first thing that worries me as bit, but they sure look nice.

Can someone give me some comparisons of the two? flies heavier, more power, flips faster- heck I dont know- just why are they better?

It looks like the 3026-1400 is out of stock presently at RH, so I could use my 1600 kv align w 16 t and theoretically get the same head speed.

(but they do have a l14 stretch kit in stock!)

Steve

03-29-2011 Over year old.
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Jag72

rrProfessor

South of Boston

logo or trex ?

I have had a million logos...and still have a few...a logo 400 is nothing but a shrunken down logo 10 ....either way it's a great little machine

I have a flybarless trex 500 right now and love it...but the logo 400 is a hands down better machine all around.

it flies lighter and faster as compared to most any trex 500

at the end of the day ...they are both fast and fun machines...but the logo 400 is better in my opinion...I just like the fancy stuff I have for my trex 500 so I keep it around

my trex 500 is a bit of a pig but i still like it..

with vbar you can make any machine flip as fast as you want..so that's really not a factor..the non driven tail of the logo is not a big deal as long as you know that you cannot dump a ton of pitch in at the last second...or else the tail swings...but that's not a big deal either.


you can use the 1400 or 1600kv scorp...but I wouldn't recommend an align motor...the Scorp is MUCH better

03-29-2011 Over year old.
Jays200

Heliman

Perth, Western Australia

G'day Steve,

Do it.

Part out the Trex500, like I did and sell (or give away) all the bits, even the Align velco, don't look back.

There is little comparison between the two other that they are both helicopters and both swing 425mm blades.

No regrets.

Cheers,

Jayson

Logo 800 Xx, Logo 600SX, Logo 400SE
Kontronik ESC and Pyro, Vbar

03-29-2011 Over year old.
Justin Stuart (passed)

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

How about if you include the Protos in the mix? Does the Logo 400 still win?

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Thunder Power RC
Kontronik Drives

03-29-2011 Over year old.
Kiba

Senior Heliman

CA

Having owned a Trex 500 for over a year and having flown 100+ flights on a Logo 400... given the weight similarities between the Trex 500 and Logo 400 as long as they're both flying with Vbar I didn't notice much difference in flying characteristics between the two when equipped with identical power systems, identical blades, and both FBL with Vbar. They flew very much the same IMO-- just sounded and looked different in flight.

Sure the Logo 400 is of better quality and is quieter in flight but the flight manners between the two helis aren't that much different when both helis have identical equipment.

I'm not a fan of the Logo 400's tail drive system. It works but it is clumsy IMO. Not only do you have to get the mesh on the tail drive gear correct you also have to make sure it's perpendicular to the main gear. A tail drive pulley directly off the mainshaft (like the Logo 500 & 600) would be a better design but since the 400 is mostly a "recycled" Logo 10 it is what it is.

If you want a dramatic change in a 430-blade size heli from your current Trex 500 or a Logo 400... go with a Protos. It's substantially lighter than both of them and the power to weight ratio is fantastic. Very quick responding heli. I flew one and it made my Trex 500 and my friends Logo 400 seem like bricks in comparison. I recently sold my Trex 500 planning to replace it with a Protos but I picked up a Compass 6HV instead.

IMO going from a Trex 500 to a Logo 400 is an upwards move in terms of quality but more of a lateral or slightly upwards move in terms of flight manners & power... going from either a Trex 500 or Logo 400 to a Protos is a big step up in terms of power-to-weight & flight manners.

03-29-2011 Over year old.
Jag72

rrProfessor

South of Boston

Protos..

I loved my protos as well..the only downside is that it's a flying piece of glass...hit the dirt hard with a protos and it literally SHATTERS..

but of course these things are not made to be crashed..

03-29-2011 Over year old.
Kiba

Senior Heliman

CA

Protos..

I loved my protos as well..the only downside is that it's a flying piece of glass...hit the dirt hard with a protos and it literally SHATTERS..

but of course these things are not made to be crashed..
The Protos is a very "purposed" design with light weight as a key design criteria. That means something had to be sacrificed... in this case it is crash resilience.

Because of that light weight the flight manners are amazing.

I flew an early plastic-framed version. Loved the level of design refinement and low parts count for weight savings but I never had the "pleasure" of crashing one.

I've heard the new carbon frame versions with the optional aluminum upper bearing block / servo mount are much more durable. I was planning to pick up a carbon frame Protos with a 470mm stretch kit but after pricing everything out I went with the 6HV.

03-29-2011 Over year old.
Jag72

rrProfessor

South of Boston

6HV--

Now that's the Machine to have

I am LOVING my 6hv....

03-29-2011 Over year old.
dxflyer

Senior Heliman

Bay area, California

I agree Trex 500 to Protos; you will feel the difference. The protos is very quick; I mean quick. If you make a mistake in your moves then it's more than likely crashed. I now fly stretched protos fbl.

Logo 600 12S vbar, Logo 500 vbar
Protos FBL vbar

03-29-2011 Over year old.
smittylube

Senior Heliman

Santa Cruz, CA

Wow interesting comments- DX -sounds like I better hook up with you and check it out first hand.

03-29-2011 Over year old.
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dxflyer

Senior Heliman

Bay area, California

Sure. I'll even let you try out the protos and see if you like it; just don't do crazy stuff with it.

Logo 600 12S vbar, Logo 500 vbar
Protos FBL vbar

03-29-2011 Over year old.
smittylube

Senior Heliman

Santa Cruz, CA

DO you ever get out during the week?
I'm right by shoreline- I could buzz over there at lunch?

03-29-2011 Over year old.
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Justin Stuart (passed)

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

Is the Protos 500 available as a carbon kit with the aluminum servo holder and no electronics? Or do you have to buy the plastic kit that comes with the motor/ESC and then upgrade it to carbon? Does it come as a flybarless kit?

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03-30-2011 Over year old.
dxflyer

Senior Heliman

Bay area, California

I have seen the protos with the carbon frame and no motor and no esc package. But the aluminum servo holder are usually separate.

Logo 600 12S vbar, Logo 500 vbar
Protos FBL vbar

03-30-2011 Over year old.
Lovelight

Heliman

Bellevue, WA

An option for the 400 is the various stretch versions that result in different flying characteristics. Mikado is supposed to have their official "SE" version that will swing 473mm blades and the unofficial ones built by using the different logo 10 booms and belts get you well over 500mm. There are drive train and motor considerations with the longest blades but kind of a cool option.

03-30-2011 Over year old.
smittylube

Senior Heliman

Santa Cruz, CA

Is there any info anywhere about the 'SE' version coming soon?

03-30-2011 Over year old.
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llbr22

Senior Heliman

Oakland, CA

I could vouch for insane power with the L400 stretched (running 523mm blades). But it did take a significant upgrade in the power system and gears to handle it.

I don't think any upgrade for the 400 should be released by Mikado until they change the tail drive. But even though it's not driven, it is simple.

03-30-2011 Over year old.
heliaddict2424

Senior Heliman

SCV SoCal.

Protos

I sold my Protos when I built my L400 the Protos had a very sensitive tail every time I did a rebuild or changed something I had nothing but problems with the tail. The L400 had some issues to but it fly's better than my Protos I vote for L400 over Protos 500 IMHO.

Team MikadoUSA Team Scorpion

03-30-2011 Over year old.
carbonrex700

Senior Heliman

boardman OH

i have a protos and just end of parting out my l400 to get the same flights time on the l400 end up with 3300mah lipos and conpare to de proto with 2650mah same flight time but l400 end like a brick . the roll rate is slow and the flips ! no good......but for do big graceful moves the l400 do the job but for in face 3d protos is the choice and i never have an issue with the tail on my protos and is the plstic version just do the static mod .

03-30-2011 Over year old.
Lovelight

Heliman

Bellevue, WA

Smittylube-

I emailed Mikado and the only details they provided was that it would be configured to use 473mm blades. The guys that go to 500mm and bigger blades seem to need mod .7 gears and a motor that requires some frame heating to get it to fit. My guess is the SE version will stick with 473mm blades so the standard sized motors and mod .5 gear train can be used.

There was also some talk last year about a carbon 400 but it looks like that project is cancelled or on the back burner. In theory that project could give us a driven tail so it's a bit disappointing.

03-31-2011 Over year old.
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