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realflight g5 v/s phoenix
Justin Stuart

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

Fact: Phoenix takes up less hard drive space than RealFlight (2GB vs. 4.5GB)

Fact: RealFlight charges for different versions. Upgrade from Realflight 4.5 to RealFlight 5 is $89. Phoenix upgrades from 1.0 to 2.5 to 3.0 is free. All future Phoenix upgrades will be free.

Fact: Phoenix gives you higher resolution, faster frame rate, and more effects than RealFlight when running a comparable photo field on the same computer. In addition, if you're running your sim on a laptop on battery, Phoenix gives you longer battery life than RealFlight because it consumes less resources.

Fact: RealFlight costs more than Phoenix (comparing both versions that come with a transmitter)

Fact: If you want to use your own transmitter with RealFlight, you have to plug your transmitter into the back of the RealFlight (Futaba) controller. If you want to use your own transmitter with Phoenix, all you do is plug in a wire (with a small 1"x 2" box inline) into the back of your TX. No need to have the full size game transmitter plugged into the middle of your USB cable (as you must do with RealFlight).

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11-05-2010 05:12 PM
thenewguy

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Corvallis, Oregon Where there is liquid sunshine!

Fact: Phoenix takes up less hard drive space than RealFlight (2GB vs. 4.5GB)
This is true, the difference is RF is a more complex program that has 3D fields requiring more space because of more options.
Fact: RealFlight charges for different versions. Upgrade from Realflight 4.5 to RealFlight 5 is $89. Phoenix upgrades from 1.0 to 2.5 to 3.0 is free. All future Phoenix upgrades will be free.
This is not 100% true. It's 79.99 at towers web site.
Fact: Phoenix gives you higher resolution, faster frame rate, and more effects than RealFlight when running a comparable photo field on the same computer. In addition, if you're running your sim on a laptop on battery, Phoenix gives you longer battery life than RealFlight because it consumes less resources.
This my be a fact for you, but not everyone else. You assume it would be the same for others.
Fact: If you want to use your own transmitter with RealFlight, you have to plug your transmitter into the back of the RealFlight (Futaba) controller. If you want to use your own transmitter with Phoenix, all you do is plug in a wire (with a small 1"x 2" box inline) into the back of your TX. No need to have the full size game transmitter plugged into the middle of your USB cable (as you must do with RealFlight).
This really does not mean anything. You have to plug the controller into something on both systems.

If you are a new person reading this and going to make a decision on a sim for your self. Make sure you understand what is right for you. Go do all of your own home work and actually see if you can use the product before purchase. Some stores will have systems set up to use. Try them out and make your own decisions.

11-05-2010 05:26 PM
Blink 182

Senior Heliman

california

Actually justin my computer is only about 400$

Throughout both those flights I was only receiving 20FPS, I had no shadows on, nothing.

The reason the FPS is so nice in the video is because I set it to record about 50FPS

I usually get 70fps max with shadows on.

The Trex 600N you saw was free, ive only bought expansion packs 2,3,and 5 over a span of 2 years because with the thousands of free models thats all I really cared for

11-05-2010 06:27 PM
Justin Stuart

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

Actually justin my computer is only about 400$
What kind of computer are you running?

In order to practice with some people online I have to run RealFlight, so it would be great if I could find a good cheap computer that would allow me to run it fast enough so that it would not be all "choppy". Phoenix works perfect on my MacBook with the resolution and speed maxed out, but even at it's lowest settings and using a photo field RealFlight still runs very poorly on my MacBook.

I considered building my own gaming computer just to run RealFlight, but that is a fairly expensive proposition. I am looking for a good used gaming computer on CraigsList specifically so that I can run RealFlight at higher resolution.

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11-05-2010 06:29 PM
Blink 182

Senior Heliman

california

I dont know the model name at all, its an Acer. Its running the G100 graphics card.

Main things that you want to make sure of to get the sim to run nice is shadows. In the settings you want to set shadow quality to low.
Shadows are always the biggest FPS hog, so setting them to low or turning them off is the way I keep the FPS up.

11-05-2010 06:35 PM
thenewguy

Elite Veteran

Corvallis, Oregon Where there is liquid sunshine!

Here is a good discussion. You might ask here. http://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t616155p1/

11-05-2010 06:39 PM
Justin Stuart

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

I've got shadows and everything else off on my RealFlight, but it still is very "jumpy".

Maybe an Acer desktop is in my future. I think RealFlight might be the superior program on a real high end machine. It would be fun to have all of the rendering effects and water effects turned on.

I do think the physics of RealFlight 5.5 might be a little bit more realistic than Phoenix. With an auto in Phoenix, the helicopter drops out of the sky like it weighs 20 lbs. With an auto in RealFlight, it is much more natural. Problem is, with my RealFlight, it jumps from frame to frame to frame in a very annoying way.

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11-05-2010 06:45 PM
kruuuzn

Key Veteran

Traverse City, MI

I've been trying to avoid the auto training in my RF. Every time I use it I regret it the following day at work. I just can't seem to be able to turn it off and go to bed.
It's too much DARN FUN!

11-05-2010 07:14 PM
Ryan Douglas

Heliman

Corvallis, OR, USA

Hi Justin,

My name is Ryan Douglas and I work at Knife Edge Software, the makers of RealFlight. The performance you describe doesn't sound right at all, and I'm hoping to get a little more info from you to see if we can figure out what's wrong.

A couple of questions to start:
1) I saw where you posted some specs, and you listed a 512MB video card. Most people don't realize that the amount of memory alone is not a good indication of how good the card really is. A lower end card can still have 512MB, but you won't get good performance out of it. Can you tell me the exact brand and model number of your card?

2) Do the specs you listed belong to the Macbook that you mentioned in a different post? If so, are you running RealFlight on your Mac in Parallels or some other virtual environment, as opposed to running it in a true native Windows installation using BootCamp? That could definitely explain the abysmal performance you describe.

Here in our office we have a low end machine we keep around specifically for when we want to test how RealFlight performs on a lesser hardware and software configuration. It has Windows Vista, a 1.6GHz Celeron processor, 1GB of RAM, and on onboard Intel 945G integrated graphics adapter. Running the latest version of G5.5, with a number of graphics settings turned down or off but with shadows still enabled on low, I saw a better framerate when flying around at RealFlight Ranch (a 3D field) than what you describe with better hardware. There must be a reason.

Regards,

- Ryan

Ryan Douglas
Developer, Knife Edge Software

11-05-2010 08:02 PM
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bammorris

Heliman

Lenoir City, TN. 37771

well i bought the phoenix. im glad i bought the simulator instead of a expensive heli. b/c i have already crashed $100,000 in parts.(in 2 days) lol another question though. after i have calibrated my transmitter do i still have to make adjustments for the trim? and if so do i have to make those adjustments each time i choose a different heli.

11-05-2010 10:11 PM
Justin Stuart

rrMaster

Plano, Texas

To clarify: I am running a MacBook Pro 13" (aluminum) with Windows XP in BootCamp. It appears I have 4GB 1076MHz DDR3 Ram, 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor, and a NVIDIA GForce 9400M graphics card with 256MB. However on the computer's box it says the graphics card has 512MB ram (256MB shared with the main RAM).

The owner of the helicopter team I want to practice with insists on using RealFlight 4.5 because he says it is "the most realistic simulator", so despite having great success with Phoenix, I purchased this software so I could practice online with them.

The 4.5 disc that GreatPlanes sent me was faulty and I am awaiting a replacement. Therefore I am flying the 5.5 disc at this moment.

I am running full screen with the Sod Field selected. I have shadows turned off along with all of the other effects turned down to "low" or "off" except for the graphics of the helicopter which is set to "medium". The helicopter (instead of being a round shape) is a series of horizontal lines so at a distance it is very difficult to see.

The bigger problem however is that it "jumps" from frame to frame to frame. You can see the helicopter move approximately 3mm at a time, so it is not smooth at all.

I'm not sure how I can decrease the resolution any further to get rid of the jitteriness.

In addition, I have turned off the antivirus and every other program other than bootcamp at startup (done in msconfig).

I think the best thing for me to do now is to buy a gaming computer with 8GB of RAM and a 1GB video card. Although Phoenix runs fantastic on this computer, it just cannot handle RealFlight, at least not RealFlight 5.5. Perhaps I'll have better luck when the replacement RealFlight 4.5 disc arrives.

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11-05-2010 10:31 PM
Ryan Douglas

Heliman

Corvallis, OR, USA

As I said before, the hardware you mentioned definitely can handle RealFlight. There is no way it should be running in the way you describe. Something is broken and causing that. I don't know what else to say to help you understand that that is not normal. If you really want to buy a better computer for RealFlight so you can run it with everything cranked up, that's one thing, but don't do it instead of figuring out what's wrong with your existing setup if you just want it to run reasonably well.

Have you installed the proper video drivers for your device? Is it possible your installation of Windows is still using the default video drivers that were installed with XP?

It is difficult to sort out these types of problems in an online forum. If you want RealFlight to run better on your system, I suggest you contact the official RealFlight Technical Support team. They are great at walking people through solutions to problems like this.

(FYI, when compared to G4/G4.5, with all the same settings, running on the same hardware, G5.5 will actually perform better.)

Ryan Douglas
Developer, Knife Edge Software

11-05-2010 11:00 PM
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