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rappyfly
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Location: Toronto, ONT

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That sux!
Did you gears looks like this?



Oh well, I did not get any discount on these worn gears. But, I didnt give up on fury, they fly gerat.
08-22-2003 Over year old.
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Inspector Fuzz
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Location: NLA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		@steve9534

Howdy!!!
Steve, I completey, entirely agree with everything you have said..
This one aspect of the model ALONE has kept me from purchasing one..
It pisses me off, because it does 3D better than ANYTHING I have flown before.. I just refuse to dick with that antiquated TLAR tail box and conjure up the voodoo alignment Gods, check the status of the planets, pray, read my horoscope and go through several more sets of gears "learning" how to fix my obviously lacking building skills..
Of course I can literally slap a Robbe box together blind folded (I really could) grease maybe every 100 flights, and get any easy 500 out of it.
PLEASE MA, do something about this..
JEFF
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Madcow
Senior Heliman
Location: Mackay, QLD, Australia

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I fly a plastic tail box and am starting to really make it work. I've had no troubles thus far and there is minimal wear on the gears.

A point that probably needs emphasising is that once you need to replace a set of gears in your plastic box, it's a good idea to keep a close eye on how quick the new gears wear. It seems that if you're wearing them that quick and you've aligned the new set even half decent there must be some sort of problem with the box. Maybe it's warped or consistently warping in flight or maybe there's some slop developing where the bearings are seated. I'm not sure...

BUT

It seems pretty rare that people say, my first set of tail gears failed really quick. It's more often that they bought new gears and they've only lasted a dozen flights.

Just an observation.
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King Cobra
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Location: Virginia. USA.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Did somebody missed me?

IGNORANCE
Did some body call for me ?
Man Ircha is still warm and you missed me already?
We here in Virginia and we fly with people come out from the wood from all difference walk of live. And that what I have learn to take every thing with a grain of salt.
Sorry If I am out of the topic but I am just trying to defend my local guys, I am not defending his opinion just his attitude, even thought I haven't meet him but as he stated, he is " NEW TO HELI " Some time we find ourself to free of speech and forget some may take it personal.
We are like a bunch of kids fighting over our toys.
It feel like my TAIL gear is lose now, better watch out.!

C.T
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King Cobra
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Location: Virginia. USA.

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Steve Campbell
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Location: Baton Rouge, LA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		steve9534,

First, I am NOT affiliated in any way with MA, other than having owned several of their machines (a pair of STs at present).

I hear you regarding X-Cell complexity, and agree to a point. But I would like to point out that, for the most part, the basic design was trouble-free for many years; right up to the time that the flip-flop craze went full bore and people began cramming monster engines in their machines. Ray Hostetler flies an X-Cell from the initial production run in 1986 that still has the original tail gears.

Guys used to fly helicopters with standard servos, for years, with absolutely no drama. Now, we see coreless and digital servos twice as stout, failing in months. What changed? Flying style.

My point is this; wanting to do the wild and exteme stuff is fine, if that's what blows your skirt up. But don't be surprised when you break things doing it.

I know, Steve; this isn't what you're saying. I'm setting up the number two Sport Trainer as we speak. Fortunately, I enjoy detail work, so the tedious chore of zeroing out and leveling all those bell cranks, etc., is not aggravating to me. It generally takes more effort and a bit longer to get there, but once right, nothing flies better, IMO. And you know what? I had a feeling that my tail box wasn't right. It SEEMED okay after I finished doing it, but something just didn't feel right. So I took it to Birmingham with me and let John Garst and Dave Harkey look at it. They both agreed the mesh was a bit off, and John spent over an hour re-doing it, and showing me where I had missed something. THAT is what field reps are all about; John is a good one. Thanks, dude.

Yeah, X-Cells are more involved than other brands. Definitely not for the "plug'n'play" crowd.

But I'll let you in on a secret; when I either tire of these X-Cells, or tear them up beyond a feasible re-build, I plan to get a Freya...

Steve
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DS 8717
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Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

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Sell off your parts and buy a Predator and join us on the dark side. You'll soon be saying "MA who?">>>>>>

Century has some of the worst helicopters i have ever seen,they dont just build something better than Xcell or some of the other manufacturers OVERNIGHT. I called helicopter world about a fury 50 and he told me i needed a preditor they are a LOT better than Xcell,
It was all i could do to not laugh in his face,if someone gave me a century heli i would sell it for what i could get. Some of the problems with crashes are builder fault,i know i have made a few mistakes myself. I have to agree as power increases the loads are going up on the systems of these things and changes are needed, xcell seems to be correcting these faullts as they show up. They have made a lot of changes to the fury's when problems arise. I cant think of any heli i have owned that didnt some some design changes,i would say xcell and Jr seem to be the best about working with the public and correcting any problems that arise,of course there is always going to be some people that you will never be able please. I still amazes me that these things even stay together with the abuse they are put through.

No Es Mi Culpa
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kenman
Senior Heliman
Location: Columbia, Maryland, USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Yes, with the proper build the Fury tail gears, in a plastic or metal case, will last a long time.

But I still believe it's time for MA to start putting larger diameter, stiffer booms on their machines with larger, more robust tail gears.

Before I got my first Fury I had a Robbe Milli. It's got a 24mm boom and a much more robust tail gear and case design. Because the gears are larger, and the plastic case is a larger, more rigid piece, a metal gear box is not much more than eye candy on that machine- the plastic one is more than adequate. In fact that entire machine has larger gears and bearings throughout. MA keeps fiddling with the clutch bearings, tail gears, etc. I think it's time to just up the size by 50% and re-design the plastic tail case halves to be stiffer and fit better.

Again, I know the Fury tail gears and tail boxes, when assembled properly, can last a long time. I never had a failure. But I don't think the design should be at the hairy edge of performance all the time, requiring red threadlock on all the shafts and bearings, careful selection of grease and it's constant reapplication, and constant worry of a failure. It would be nice to have something that important slightly overdesigned to make it robust.

Cheers.
Ken
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steve9534
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Location: yakima, wa.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Steve

I figured you couldn't stay out of a good argument. My wife says I should keep my mouth shut, but I just can't seem to help myself either. I've managed to tear up the tail on every heli I've ever had. Even the Freya started skipping the belt yesterday. I went through this with my Vigor, too. I just kept tightening the tension on the belt until the t/r output shaft finally broke. I don't fly with anything approaching the skill and finesse of someone like Pete, but I do like to bang the sticks around. Where I seem to get into trouble is on the tail slides. If I let the tail get a little off line it puts a pretty good stress on the tail. Sometimes you can really hear the heli sing as it pulls out. It amazes me there aren't more failures honestly. I heard the same tail singing or whining on a lot of the Fury's that were flown at IRCHA as they were put through their paces. This thing was designed when 61 FSR's and 15% nitro was the norm and the fact they can make it all hold together with a 91 on 30% is some kind of testimony to the original designer. I just wished they had gone a bit farther when making the Fury and put in some bigger gears.
You missed a good show at IRCHA. Some folks complained of the heat and humidity, but coming from the swamps of La., you would have felt right at home. Steve.
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Brian Bennett
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Location: Dugway/Tooele UT, USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		For me the solution is simple....Go Bergen 3D and be done with it. The single piece tail unit vs MA says it all.

I keep looking at these Furys which carry many similarities, and I still don't see the hooplah. Yes they fly great, no doubt, and maybe if I was a hot-dogger pilot..... blah blah. Given the choice of the two its the Bergen bird all the way. And as far as Bergen customer service, do a RR search.

Flame suit on

Brian

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Andi G
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Location: Switzerland

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi,

I agree with Ken, I really looked at the Fury but certain things made me buy a Milli2 instead - the 24mm boom is one of those things! I'd take a 24mm alu boom over a 19mm cool looking carbon boom any day.

I just imaged how a Milli with 19mm boom would look like. Not good

Of course the gears of MA take a lot of abuse when assembled right. But that doesn't explain why they didn't go to 24/25mm when they made the Fury, parts compatibility is a great thing but then if you change from mech mixing to ccpm a wider boom wouldn't be a big issue!

The Tempest FAI looks good to me, but again...

Andi
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BIGRCR
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Location: Easley, South Carolina

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		The more stress you put your machine through, the stronger the parts need to be, period. Proper set-up is a must for everything and how long you take to do it to get it right is a moog point if you love doing what you are doing! I enjoy this hobby enough to enjoy all aspects of it. This includes sitting for possibly hours making sure something is perfect or as near to perfect as I can get it. Pilots should take this time to do the best possible set-up on everything, including radio set-up. A good friend of mine has several older X-Cells, including Pro-1's and bent frames and he has been flying them for years. This guy optimizes his set-up on everything to such a high degree that he has 15+ year old X-Cells using old OS SFN's still turning heads and loves every minute of his hobby, that is what it is really about!

Steve Cambell, thanks for the Kudo's! I love this hobby and will do about anything I can to help. I just hope that I can truly be of help and not let someone down, that's why I'm learning all I can, all of the time and have a good while to go! Let me know if the tail box set-up works out, as this thread tries to point out, set-up is all important.

You will be at our event in a couple of weeks right??? see www.bsrcc.com for details. Bring #2 X-Cell with you!

Later,

BIGRCR- John Garst
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GM1
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Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		OK but........

I have flown the MA tail rotor for a lot of years and have had very good luck with them. Now that doesn't say I won't have gears fail tomorrow or next week. Every model has its weaker spots and we all have different buttons that get pushed and that's why the manufacturers make different models, so you can get the features and performance you like. My personal favorite is the XL Pro IIK with a 7.75 gear and a YS 91 with Tempest head. Since you can't actually buy that kit, and have to convert a P2K kit ($$$) the Tempest FAI works very well for me at a reasonable price. Many other models have features I really like, the Caliber has pull-pull tail rotor linkage, Eagle WC 3 has all mechanical mix that looks to be bullet proof, Raptor 90 has very inexpensive parts, Vigor CS has 140 eCCPM. Most also have features I don't like. ( I ain't namin' any cause my flame suit is at the cleaners ) Ya pays yo money and ya takes yo chances. I haven't seen the perfect model yet but am still waiting. Until them, I'll keep doing what I'm doing.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
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Jeff Pfeifer
Senior Heliman
Location: Bolivar, MO

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Well guys, Sorry if I sounded like a crybaby, but I was pissed! I have made the decision, that the Fury is headed to the heli graveyard(citydump), and getting either a Raptor 90, or Freya X-spec. That way I don't have to get a second degree to put together a tail.
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mark fadely
Senior Heliman
Location: indianapolis, indiana

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		hey Death,

please do report on the new heli heli you choose and tell us how perfect it after you've flown it for a year or so.

mark fadely
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sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hey Mark I just had my tail out after the ircha crash and after 3 crashes and 150 hard ass flights it is still like new. I talked to JK at ircha about the tail boxes and he seems to think (or what I got from what he was saying) is the grease you use also has alot to do with how the tail performs.


Chris

P.S Death good luck with what heli you choice to fly. They are all good but they all come with there problems.

Wildcat fuels, Quick UK
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Hirobo St.Louis
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Location: St. Louis

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		hey Jeff,
I'll be at the Taylor funfly next saturday. If you wanna fly my chopper the sticks are there whenever you want them.

A.K.A. J.O.
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Wayne Mann
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Location: United States of America

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		WM
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sluggo
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Location: Kitchener Ont

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi Wayne does Bob still fly? I remember watching him fly on a old ircha tape. I think he was flying with the duel tail at the time and was doing some cool 3D back then.

To bad you don't see to many of the old school guys flying anymore!

Chris

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Wayne Mann
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