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So this UAV needs a license to fly but its smaller then a .90 what gives?

VooDooX

Elite Veteran

San Francisco Bay Area CA, US (San Mateo)

read this im confused is there some sort of license we need that noone knows about? i see this is in the UK is it different over there do you need a license to fly your nitros? lol because to me that looks like really small rotors and about a 500 size heli

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...e-in-court.html

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02-17-2010 Over year old.
cowetachopper

Senior Heliman

Newnan, Georgia

I cant really tell from the pic the size of it. I dont doubt we dont here about crap like this here before long. Having to get a license to fly.

02-18-2010 Over year old.
Helico-pteron

Veteran

Glenview, Illinois

You do need a license to fly and UAV, but not a model helicopter.

Put a camera on a model heli, fly it remotely with a video screen and it becomes a UAV, which you need a license and permission to use airspace. They follow the same rules as manned aircraft.

That is why, in AMA rules, it states that no one can fly a model remotely from a video screen.

02-18-2010 Over year old.
cowetachopper

Senior Heliman

Newnan, Georgia

So even if you strap a camera on it and fly visually then you are still ok right? As long as you maintain line of sight.

02-18-2010 Over year old.
Helico-pteron

Veteran

Glenview, Illinois

Yup, line of site

02-18-2010 Over year old.
iHover

Veteran

Berne , NY

As I understand it you can fly a model from a camera under AMA rules at an AMA field as long as you have a pilot buddy boxed on it that is tracking it visualy.

You had me at Hover

02-18-2010 Over year old.
helicopter nut

Heliman

pleasanton, ca usa

I wonder if being rated as a civilian or military pilot is considered a "license" for a UAV. Do I also need a type certificate? (Electric is not recip or turbine) Geezzzy I might be in a lot of trouble as I have used my bird to take pictures, although so far only in my own yard....

Lord hear our silent prayers to Thee
For those who fly from ships at sea.

02-18-2010 Over year old.
Damper

Veteran

Point Blank TX USA

OMG look for the CIA, FBI, ATF, HLS, be at your door about noon time. LOL

Full Throttle Spooning Leads To Forking

02-18-2010 Over year old.
Smok

Senior Heliman

Antwerp, Belgium

My take on that would be that flying of an RC heli is done on Club Airfields and under AMA or another RC modelling rules.

Whereas for a video surveillance unit or an UAV, it would be flown at any possible place, outside designated RC model flying fields, also in places above people or residential areas or possibly close to any kind of infrastructure that might be vulnerable to impact - and so on.

So the actual UAV might be the same as an RC hobby heli - but there would be a difference HOW it is used and WHERE, so additional licencing would make perfect sense for me. You do not want to see your neighbour hovering a heli with a camera, next to your bedroom window, neither nobody wants an aerial video freak firing-up his machine to fly above crowded places, densely built urban areas, power stations and so on...

Also I am quite sure that an UAV license would be different from a real pilot license..

02-18-2010 Over year old.
mrloudly

Veteran

Naseby Northampton England

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/...ide/8517726.stm

It's more about flying in close proximity to buildings and the public that's causing the problem.

02-18-2010 Over year old.
TachyonDriver

Key Veteran

Chipping, Lancs, UK

I think the UAV was electric, not nitro. Regardless, the CAA has been investigating this whole first person piloting thing. My mate has held back on getting the FPV goodies because of the whole "pilot in control having to maintain visual contact with the model and buddy boxing etc." To be honest I cannot really blame the CAA because of the safety issues.

At least there's some great vids on youtube from a French guy who routinely FPVs his 500 size heli

Tach.

Little Spinning Bundle of Joy® DON'T DISS THE DINO!!

02-18-2010 Over year old.
martinic

Key Veteran

NB, Canada

What about gadgets like the Parrot? It transmits video imagery back to your Ipod and that's how you're intended to fly it. It's a UAV except that it's practically limited in range by the strength wireless signal.

This is a complex issue and the low cost puts the technology in the hands of a lot more people.

Just wait until you get a super small, under $100 long-range UAV, then no-one will be able to regulate that effectively. At that point it won't be a safety issue, but instead a privacy issue - that's the real issue. It's just a matter of time IMHO.

Regulate the safety where that applies and prosecute privacy infringement. You can regulate all you want, but if you can't enforce it...

02-18-2010 Over year old.
helicopter nut

Heliman

pleasanton, ca usa

It's a can of worms, and it is now open.....
I agree that it should be treated as a safety and privacy issue, but the last thing I want is a whole new police force to seek out my model helicopter.... it is the last bit of fun left.

Lord hear our silent prayers to Thee
For those who fly from ships at sea.

02-18-2010 Over year old.
martinic

Key Veteran

NB, Canada

I guess that's my real point - regulate the behaviours/uses, not the pilot/aircraft.

So, you shouldn't need a license, rather, you should need training and be policed for your behaviour. Don't fly dangerously/respect others.

In the case of the police, theirs is a special use. This aircraft is arguably safe (small electric) relatively speaking and their use of it has demonstrable benefits. Their normal controls (warrant, etc.) should address misuse.

02-18-2010 Over year old.
VooDooX

Elite Veteran

San Francisco Bay Area CA, US (San Mateo)

they just keep adding more and more and more and more laws without taking any off the books there slowly tightening the noose and theres not much we can do about it.. when they did to to the british int he 1700's people fled to america to be free and now america is extremely strict.. and theres nowhere left to go on earth.. soon people will eb able to goto mars but not in my lifetime F U GOVERNMENTS!

Velocity 50 "99.9999999999999% of an atom is empty space." also 01001000 01001001

02-19-2010 Over year old.
aaronredbaron

Senior Heliman

Champaign, IL, USA

As a modeler who flies my helicopter and plane FPV, this whole topic is very frustrating. Have you read what the US government intends to do?

PLEASE READ
http://www.modelaircraft.org/faa/recommendations.pdf
regardless of whether or not you use their insurance or fly at an AMA field, the AMA is the only voice we have standing up agaist the feds!!!

I understand possible reason for concern, but it does not justify the government's intention to shut down all FPV flying. Force me to fly line of site, force me to stay under 400 feet, force me to follow the exact same guildines as any other model (basically boils down to operating in a practical and safe manner)... but saying FPV should be flat-out banned is unjust and stupid.

If their concern is privacy, the laws are already in place to protect people. Just like you can't walk over to your neigbor's window with a video camera and film them getting busy, you can't do it from the air without breaking privacy laws. If someone is upset about a privacy situation, those laws are already in place to take care of it, just call the cops and tell them you have a peeping tom.

worried about flying over the public? what would happen if you tryed to fly your 90 nitro downtown somewhere over people? Most likely, the cops would stop you, but if something bad happened, you could face negligence charges for being negligent and putting people in harms way. Just like any other model, FPV models have to respect people and property, or you are being negligent, and the laws are already in place to take care of negligence. We don't need to muddy up the books, if someone is putting others in harms way, they are acting negligently, and could be charged accordingly.

As far as any concerns about what a person with neferious intentions could do... what would stop that person from buying a model and a wireless security camera even if its illegal to fly FPV? All you would do is take it away from hobbyists. Having a community of FPV hobbyist looking out for someone asking iffy questions would be the best way to catch someone early. There are many hobbies and past-times far more dangerous than FPV, take a look at the winter olympics, for example! The fact of the matter is I bet I can do a better job of staying in the prescribed flight area, staying on the proper side of the flight line, and staying under 400 feet than anyone flying from the ground, if I'm flying at an AMA field. Since I've started flying FPV I've learned a lot about how poor our depth perception can be from the ground.

Some rant and rave about gun laws.... I'm extremely upset that for a second time in the last few years my government is trying to ELIMINATE big chuncks of my passion. The first time they put me out of business, (thats how I ended up with all this wireless video stuff to begin with!) I was heavily invested with both time and money and had a funtional, insured AP biz prior to 2007, now the feds want to take away FPV and much more. Here's a few key points
-they want to BAN all turbines
-there is a recommendation to enforce a 100mph speed limit on all models
-they want to strictly enforce the 400 foot limit, reading the altitude from the base of hills means they want to effectively ban most slope soaring sites.

oh, and FYI, you may want to check on the FAA NOTAMs before you commit aviation, if the President is within 30 miles of you, its illegal to fly any model, and they can shoot you on site!

two kids? how'd that happen? time to zip'm up!!!

02-22-2010 Over year old.
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VooDooX

Elite Veteran

San Francisco Bay Area CA, US (San Mateo)

if the President is within 30 miles of you, its illegal to fly any model, and they can shoot you on site!
and face a legal ****storm from my relatives haha

Velocity 50 "99.9999999999999% of an atom is empty space." also 01001000 01001001

02-22-2010 Over year old.
helicopter nut

Heliman

pleasanton, ca usa

How can anyone enforce a 100 mph limit on my pylon racer??????? isn't speed the object????
FTM, try an 8 point hesitation roll at low speed. Or any of a myriad of maneuvers. A pattern bird hits 100 kts in many parts of the standard pattern for even a novice.

What part of the heli are they going to check for speed???? the advancing blade?? I bet the tip is well past 100 kts

Geeeze what next? If we unionize lawyers will they go away?

Lord hear our silent prayers to Thee
For those who fly from ships at sea.

02-26-2010 Over year old.
Carman9876

Heliman

Huntsville, AL

This is just the way it goes. If you actually look a the cost verses benefit these laws would stay in the trash.

The argument is always someone could get hurt. I want to know who that is? People get hurt everyday. WE DRIVE CARS. The most dangerous thing you could possible do. What is even funnier than that is we drive for fun IE: vacation joy riding etc. Cars kill 45,000 people a year in the US alone.

If we put up a law every time someone gets hurt we would all be sitting in straight jackets. People get hurt that is what we do. Why Does the government have to protect us from everything.

What it is really about is MONEY and POWER.

Embrace failure because without it success would be normal.

03-05-2010 Over year old.
DKTek

Veteran

Melbourne, FL-USA

FPV Police on the way!

Give me a break. An FPV RC whatever is no more dangerous than a non FPV whatever. Stay within the normal RC operating area and no-one can say crap legally, other than an ignorant opinion. Do it commercially and things change. We fly FPV right with the other RC guys and that's more dangerous how? Chances are that the FPV guy is going to be more cautious anyway because there is a bit more investment involved.

The beatings will continue until morale improves...

04-22-2010 Over year old.
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