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RappyTappy
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Lol, that was awesome Havoc. A good paying job is a great sponsor

BTW, that one hobo had some mad skillz. I like his signature move "The Big Mac" and his primo move "The shopping cart" dayum

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11-19-2009 11:44 PM
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max232
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Lets see a video. then i'll see what i can do for you
11-19-2009 11:49 PM
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CJames
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Nice Havoc!

My flying is totally Sponsored by.........ME!
11-20-2009 12:59 AM
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2LTime
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I've bowled a 287 on my Wii three times. I am considering joining the professional bowlers league. I am somewhat split though because I am also ranked above 2000 in Wii tennis.

Jeff

If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly.
11-20-2009 01:54 AM
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the Wasp
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LOL Havoc, that was great, I see you can tell stories also LOL

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11-20-2009 03:30 AM
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MAVRICK
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I could tell you a story about an iguana, but I really don't wana.
11-20-2009 03:50 AM
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PC12DRVR
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I got my 747 type rating cause I told the FAA I could fly it on Microsoft flight sim ten
11-20-2009 06:23 AM
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holzback
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Yes i know that.
I put all the little money i had for Heliflying in it. But its not enough. You fly 4 tanks, then something on the Heli failed and it crashes. then you need fuel, then the engine dies.
It never ranged to do just a good video.
I think when i win not in the lottery, i can surrender my dream and over 4 years of practise are for nothing


dude, you have to fly what you can afford to keep yourself in the air,that is your first mistake. if you cant afford nitro fly a 500 size electric. you can get packs anywhere from 60-120 dollars . helis are a extra fun thing for us to do, so before you get started into flying you have to have a half way strong base of income, or it will never happen. sometimes the heli has to sit, that is just how it is. for you to get sponsored, a good income is a must. forget about the heli side of all this because where you need to start is having the funds. now you know what you need to do.

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11-20-2009 10:40 AM
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nickt919
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There was an awesome 3D pilot on the board here a few years ago and he went on to get sponsored from several sources. Shortly after the sponsorships he vanished off the map and the last I heard he quit flying. I've often wondered if all the politics of the sponsorships took all the fun out of the hobby and drove him out. What a shame to lose such a great pilot. He was fun to watch with a TX in his hands. His videos live on though.....
11-20-2009 11:22 AM
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fla heli boy
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yep. I met CY years ago in Orlando (probably 90 or 91) and hung around him all day. He was constantly being bombarded by dorks like me asking him a million questions. Ever the professional, he stood their in freezing weather and answered them all. The knowledge about every aspect was amazing. Him and his dad were building a lot of their own electronics themselves. I walked a way in awe of the guy, with his level of knowledge and professionalism. THAT is what it takes to be sponsored. Knowledge, experience, good with the people, etc....
Not sure I'd want it, but that's OK, cuz I know I'll never get there!!

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11-20-2009 02:01 PM
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RRios
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Sponsorship involves representing the companies product line in a concise and professional manner. It involves more than just fancy flying. Good communication, being personable and knowledgable are key requirements in order to represent or be an ambassador for that company in a professional manner that makes their product-line look good enough to make others want to purchase it. This is the sponsors return on investment in you, their sponsored pilot.
A key element in acquiring a sponsorship is in visibility. If you are not visible at many of the key events through-out the nation, as well as ranking high at those key events, then you will not have the visibility necessary as far as the company looking to sponsor a pilot stands. The more visibility the better, this translates into you, the wannabe pilot looking to get sponsored, into absorbing traveling costs such as hotel, car rental, food, helicopter parts, etc... for years possibly without any help hoping to get noticed by a company. This can involve thousands of dollars and in the end there is no guarantee of obtaining a sponsorship, not even one.
Another thing to look at is this, not all sponsored pilots are 100% financially sponsored. In other words, having a sponsorship by a product line does not mean they are or will pay you a salary, or pay for you to go to an event, or pay for your travel, hotel, etc... it simply means most of the times that they will provide you with a few of their products in the hope that you can promote them enough to generate sales. There are different levels of sponsorships too, starting at partial sponsorships that involve percentages off of their products (i.e. they will give you 25% or 50% ,etc... off of any order you place with them).
Some sponsorships might even be 100% off of their product line only, limited to certain quantities a year or a quarter, but no other money or sponsorship other than free parts. But this means you still must be visible to be an advertisement for them to generate sales, which translates into even though you get free parts from one vendor, you still need to attend or are expected to attend all of the major events around the nation to represent them. This is their return on investment, it's a business proposition. This is how you continue up the sponsorship ladder.
Most people think that being sponsored is "all that", but I am sure if you ask around you will find that many sponsored pilots still have to pay for their hotels, car rentals, food, etc... with the sponsor maybe paying for the entry fee to the event. This ends up costing you a lot of money out of your own pocket, as well as having a job that can not only fund this much travel but also allow you to take the time off to attend the many events through-out the year... not the ones just close to you. There have been known to be different levels of sponsorships within the same company, such as an A group, B group or C group, with the A's being full ride, the B's being 100% parts only, and the C's being 50% off parts, etc. Sponsored pilots don't do it for the sponsorship in as much as they do it because they love the sport.
I write this from my own experience of 8 years as a fully sponsored RC racer, having dealt in that industry for over 16 years (8 as a privateer) with the last 8 years sponsored by multiple companies, to help shed a little light here on the whole sponsorship mistique for those questioning about it.
Hope this helps those looking for it, but in the end your goal should not be to acquire one as you might find yourself in for a whole lot of hurt as it might turn-out to be harder and more expensive than you think. There is no guarantee you will ever get one just by being a good 3D pilot. More importantly you should focus on trying to enjoy yourself as much as possible with a love for the sport bringing others into it with your knowledge and help.

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11-20-2009 03:35 PM
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raptoro50
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@RRios: many thanks for your Infos.
11-20-2009 04:05 PM
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QuantumPSI
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Can I get a fuel manufacturer to sponsor me? As well as lipos? I think that's all I really want at this point . I used to want to get sponsored, but now that my favorite machine is a hybrid, I know that if I did get sponsored, I probably wouldn't be "allowed" to fly it anymore. Still though, I can never have too much fuel and lipos, sooooooo anybody wanna give me free fuel and batteries?! I'm really good, I promise (not really though )!

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
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11-20-2009 04:18 PM
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Nashville
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I've bowled a 287 on my Wii three times. I am considering joining the professional bowlers league.

That means I can join the PGA Tour because I shot a 53 on Tiger Wood Golf! Man I am stoked. Thanks Jeff.

I was Spektrum when Spektrum wasn't cool
11-20-2009 05:47 PM
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jackheli
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More importantly you should focus on trying to enjoy yourself as much as possible with a love for the sport bringing others into it with your knowledge and help

^^^ +1

It's all about fun and not ego...

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11-20-2009 06:25 PM
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falcon447
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Raptoro50

I think in every person that fly's there is a spark inside them that wants to be sponsored and be recognized for being one of the best. After reading RRios post and also being in the field for many years what RRios said is the whole truth and the way that the "game" is played. I commend RRios for explaining himself without talking down to you or making jokes at your expense.

Also remember that the quickest way to ruin your enjoyment of what you do is to try to make a living out of it!

I wish you luck in whatever you decide to do!

Brian

Thanks to all the brave service people who serve our country!

Brian (ViperDraggs) Jones
11-21-2009 05:33 AM
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RappyTappy
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nickt919, where you referring to Pete Panos?

Chris
11-22-2009 12:29 AM
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Aaron29
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Also remember that the quickest way to ruin your enjoyment of what you do is to try to make a living out of it!

+1

There would be so much more to a sponsorship than showing everyone how good a pilot you are. There are TONS of EXCELLENT pilots out there who ARE NOT sponsored. It takes more than the sponsorship.

First, you must be willing to leave home and travel all around selling the product, whether you like the product or not. Fun flies, competitions, meets. I wonder how much time Szabo spends at home.

You have to know the equipment so people asking you questions will get answers.

You have to be able to fix/fly your heli. One crash because you forgot to do a minor maintenance chore will kill your credibility.

You have to be humble. I'm sure Szabo doesn't land and tell everyone "That was good wasn't it?" No, he doesn't brag on himself.

You have to be very likeable. I'm sure you can't just fly and keep to yourself. People will constantly ask you setup questions which will get repetitive after a while. You will have to answer them with a smile every time, even though under your breath you might be thinking "The next guy who asks me what servo gain setting I use I'm going to yell at." Remember, you are there to sell your product.

You have to be able to fly well under pressure. I don't know about you but when I get out to the field I don't throw the heli around the way I do on the sim. The sim? I'll do an eye level piroflip. The heli? Piroflips up high. The crowd/realism change things.

You have to keep you lid shut on the shortcomings of your sponsor. If your boss is making you mad, you won't be able to tell everyone he is a jerk. If you don't like the product, you won't be able to tell anyone that XYZ heli is a POS. I don't know about you, but I don't trust certain sponsors because I know they will fail to tell me the shortcomings. I ask an average joe. Joe will tell you how XYZ heli quality is. But the sponsored guy will tell you it's great no matter what. Nah I couldn't be sponsored, because I LOVE to be able to TELL MY OPINION about ANYTHING. It's freedom.

Some companies do not allow you to fly the competition's models. So when XYZ company's heli is annoying you, you can't go check out other models to see what's out there.

You will somehow have to figure out how to get yourself to meets, flyins, and competitions. A sponsor is OUT THERE selling the product. Not at home on the sim.

And lastly, you must also balance your time incredibly well. They aren't PAYING you, in most sponsorship cases. You just get help with your purchases. This means you will have to have a REAL job, too.

Thinking of making a career in RC Helis? I might also introduce you to professional singer, guitarist, artist, actor, dancer, motorcyclist, skateboarder, video game tester as well. These are equally viable careers, with the same potential to simply pour energy in and get nothing back. For every job there are probably 100 people wanting it. You are going to have to want it very badly and if you don't make it, be willing to accept reality.

I'd rather keep it fun. I recommend helis as a hobby. Get a good job that pays well so you can fly your arse off and impress your friends.

Also, be realistic. Few get paid to play for a living. And if they do there were thousands of people vying for that same position, so your chances of making it are slim. I'm not even a Democrat, but Obama said it best when he addressed kids in school. He told kids to stop trying to become the next "American Idol" and work hard. That's what it takes to succeed.

-Aaron
11-22-2009 01:22 AM
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PC12DRVR
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Pass the kool aid
11-22-2009 02:36 AM
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KC
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What RRios said is spot on. My first full-time offer was a very good one and I turned it down!....If you want to be the best pilot in the world, I would suggest accepting all the first offers you get.

In the big picure, being the best is pretty much this: spend more money, spend more time, attend as many events as possible, and watch your mouth.

You do not have to be the best pilot in the world to make a living from the hobby. There are so many other ways: beta testers, form your own company, consult, or fund other companies...its not just some pilots who are sponsored.

Your practice and effort isn't in vain if you enjoy flying.
11-22-2009 02:38 AM
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