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Radio - Futaba FASST > I can't be the only one having this problem with 8FG!!
 
 
groran
Senior Heliman
Location: Carriere,MS.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		After trying to program it to a xcell extreme heli with 120 degree. I used the hr3 swash. After 6 hours of trying to get interaction out with getting almost all of interaction out, with interaction mostly in the middle, I gave up. I was also having binding and was only able to get 5 degrees negative and 9 degrees positve on a 26 degree heli. Also I tried all the mixes including the ones that needed to be turned on. I did a DATA RESET and all the interaction was gone!! All I had to do was reverse one channel. Got a trex 600, same 120 degree swash, same thing all over again, 3 hours of trying to get interaction out, same amount of pitch, about 9 degrees positive and only 4 negative. The pitch values were like 34% positive and 70%neg, crazy values, after the reset both were at 100% with proper range. All interaction gone, full pitch, NO having to go to any mixes. Man I don't want to have to do this every time I program a 120 deg swash. What's up with this?? This means every time I try to program a new heli, after a while of trying to get interaction out, I'll have to do a data reset and set all my programming for ALL the helis. I have 9z wc2 and have been setting up helis for 28 years and all were at 90 deg angles and set up perfect mechanically. I sent this email to hobby services, I'm curious to see what's up.

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Randy Lafleur
Futaba 8FG
Xcell Extr
11-08-2009 02:04 AM
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Silvashadow
Veteran
Location: Kent, UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I think you should be using swash type H-3 NOT HR-3
11-08-2009 04:48 PM
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Andy from Sandy
Key Veteran
Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Looking at the manual on page 54 it does show that HR3 is for 120 and H-3 is for 1 to 1 or 135/140 layout.
11-12-2009 02:27 PM
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crdhelipad
Senior Heliman
Location: Rio Rancho,New Mexico,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		i had the same issue on my stratus setup turns out i had selected HR3 insted of H3

spent time on that one

setup was on 12FG not 8FG
11-12-2009 02:33 PM
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smallplanes
Elite Veteran
Location: S.C. ,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I use HR3 on my 12 Z and 12 FG and i don't have any interaction that i can see. I did not have to do any mixing ether.

I might be crazy but i an't dumb
Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
Bat 27cc
Trex 700<br
11-14-2009 04:48 PM
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Silvashadow
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Location: Kent, UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Sorry guys my bad. Just looked back at the post and realised I checked my Vibe 50 setting which is on 140deg swash. It should be HR3 which I use on my 120deg birds with no noticable interaction. Sorry again for the misdirection.
11-14-2009 06:45 PM
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smallplanes
Elite Veteran
Location: S.C. ,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'm pretty sure from me having a few helis that HR3 is what you use. I have 5 helis set to HR3 and they all work great. I think you may have something set in the radio that you don't think you do. You have to set this up with the AFR screen and reverse one or two channels in the rev screen.

I might be crazy but i an't dumb
Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
Bat 27cc
Trex 700<br
11-14-2009 09:22 PM
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groran
Senior Heliman
Location: Carriere,MS.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Fresh start

Every NEW model is a fresh start unless you copy from one model to the other, which I don't do. From a fresh setup for a new model,I reverse what channel is needed, the interaction is there, I start trying to get the interaction out by mixes. Then after no getting it out, I reset. Could there be something in the NEW setup and set wrong from the radio's stand point, now yes, I never thought about that. I don't program anything in the setup from the get go, so it's not me. I still don't want to start and I shouldn't have to do a reset every time I program a new model. By the way Hobby services has responded by asking what kind of xcell was it and after emailing them the answer, haven't heard back and that was 3 days ago, I'll keep trying.

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Randy Lafleur
Futaba 8FG
Xcell Extr
11-15-2009 12:30 AM
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groran
Senior Heliman
Location: Carriere,MS.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		This one went better

Well I programmed a Raptor with standard H-1 swash and all went fine. Only took a few to do it. Hobby services still has not addressed the issue though on problems with the HR3 swash programming of the previous post. I also realized that even though I reset the heli, it doesn't reset ALL the helis, just the one being programmed. This makes it a lot easier to put up with this bug in the radio software.I sure hope it doesn't decide to change up on me in the air, now that would be a bummer. I wished HS would have answered and at least dicussed it with me though.

What goes around comes around Good or bad-Do Good
Randy Lafleur
Futaba 8FG
Xcell Extr
11-19-2009 02:21 PM
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smallplanes
Elite Veteran
Location: S.C. ,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I don't understand why you have interaction with this new of a radio. What Rx did you say you were using? Does the 8ch support 2048 on a 8ch RX? I have a 12z and 12FGH and i don't see any interaction by the eye thats not to say i don't have some. I do have some interaction on my Trex 450 xl but i have a 6ch RX in it but i have not tried to program it out. I think i would try to send it back for another TX or get my money back and get a 10C or 12FG it's only a little more money for a proven TX. Some times new on the market stuff is not always right.

I might be crazy but i an't dumb
Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
Bat 27cc
Trex 700<br
11-21-2009 01:10 AM
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groran
Senior Heliman
Location: Carriere,MS.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Both

The 7ch and 8ch did the same thing. I don't know about the 2048 stuff. I'm getting a trex 500 soon and it's ccpm. I'm also getting a xcell extreme, but this one is a newer one with 140 degree swash, the one in the previous post is older and has a 120 degree swash. The interaction is not small, it's really obvious, several degrees. After the reset, the interaction is a tiny bit, hardly noticeable on the bench, not noticeable in flight. If it does it on the other helis that are on their way, I will get HS on the phone instead of email that they aren't responding to anyway and if they can't get it resolved,I will send it back and if they don't fix it RIGHT, I will start demanding a new radio or my money back.

What goes around comes around Good or bad-Do Good
Randy Lafleur
Futaba 8FG
Xcell Extr
11-23-2009 02:36 AM
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smallplanes
Elite Veteran
Location: S.C. ,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		For the price you might should have just got the 10C but thats to late.

I might be crazy but i an't dumb
Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
Bat 27cc
Trex 700<br
11-24-2009 12:20 AM
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bbaxter
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Illinois

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Page 66 of the 8FG's manual details setting up the swash mixing to eliminate any interaction. With eCCPM being used, you'll get some interaction between the controls. The 8FG has the mixing section in the Swash function so that you can trim it out. Just follow the instructions on the page and you'll be OK.

The 12FG, 12Z, and 14MZ have a separate menu section called "Swash Mix" that does the same thing, with a more options available.
11-24-2009 03:59 PM
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groran
Senior Heliman
Location: Carriere,MS.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I tried ALL that you described

I tried all that you described. Swash mix, swash ring, this mix that mix, reverse the channels in every combination possible, went to (+) this way, (-) that way. Please read the rest of my post and you will see that after the reset, I didn't need to adjust anything except 1 or 2 channel reversal, all the interaction was gone with the travel values normal and before were weird values, binding, kinda like it was programmed for something else besides HR3. Flies great with no interaction in the sky, that's why I left the miniscul amount of interaction there was alone after the reset. As I said please read the rest of the post and thanks for help. After this length of time and no one saying they have the same problem, my radio must be the only one. How that is, I don't know. I don't want a different style or model radio, I just want the 8fgh to work correctly.Actually it a real easy fix for me, just reset after SOME programming, but should I have to after spending $479??If it does it again, I will get a RMA number from HS and send it in. If could find my video cam I would record it and show y'all, si la vi mon.

What goes around comes around Good or bad-Do Good
Randy Lafleur
Futaba 8FG
Xcell Extr
11-24-2009 07:58 PM
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groran
Senior Heliman
Location: Carriere,MS.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		They got it!!!

Steve Kaluf at HS got it on the nail head. I evidently has a corrupt file on the original program. Anyway they sent me a new program(the same as the original) but to reload or rewrite to the radio. Man you got to love new tech eh? All we got to do instead of sending it in is write to the SD card in the radio from their website, plug it in the radio and copy, now this is high tech eh men? Thanks to HS and Steve Kaluf over there. They sent an email saying no matter what the problem was, they gonna fix it,even sending a PREPAID mail sticker to send it in, now that's service, hooo boy tank you sha. Now I can program and fly in piece with my new radio.

What goes around comes around Good or bad-Do Good
Randy Lafleur
Futaba 8FG
Xcell Extr
11-25-2009 09:49 PM
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Thomas L Erb
Veteran
Location: Alliance ohio

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! another satisfied customer :} Great job Steve!

Groran that is the beauty of these newer radios . no need to send them in . just load the new updates from the comfort of home. Glad to hear you got it fixed. Enjoy Tom
11-26-2009 03:23 AM
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