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smallplanes
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I ordered a Fly bar a little whileback from MA when they were still selling parts and i went to ut it in tonight and it 9 1/4 longer than the stock one will this even work? I told them the part# and tey sent me one way to long. What should i do?


Thanks for any info

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11-08-2009 02:02 AM
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Fixit
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Maybe you could just shorten it and run a thread back on

I only like to fly gassed up
11-08-2009 02:08 AM
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smallplanes
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Yes i could do that but it should have came he right length. Wil it hurt anything o run it tat long other than a ot more stability?


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11-08-2009 02:37 AM
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Fixit
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Well people do use longer ones for stability but I think 9 ¼ is rather a lot but I’m sure someone in the know will chip in

I only like to fly gassed up
11-08-2009 02:43 AM
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Fixit
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If you still have the packet it came in you could Google it and see what it’s supposed to fit, Maybe it’s and update but it still sound a bit long to me

I only like to fly gassed up
11-08-2009 02:50 AM
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CNCjunkie
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Actually, just the opposite holds true.

longer flybar = faster cyclic

http://www.w3mh.co.uk/articles/html/csm9-11.htm

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
11-08-2009 02:50 AM
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shawmcky
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Run longer flybars

on my gassers,like the way they fly.I use 570mm on mine.Try it it wont hurt anything.

Team- unbiased opinion,no experts here just trying to help thats all.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
11-08-2009 07:34 AM
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pgkevet
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on my gassers,like the way they fly.I use 570mm on mine.

Yup, 700N flybars.. and they fit the spectra properly too..

pgk
11-08-2009 08:37 AM
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carpman
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Using the Trex 700 flybar with Raptor 90 paddles, flybar is longer but the paddles thread on further so overall there isn't much difference...

KEVIN
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11-08-2009 11:19 AM
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j.8
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Hi smallplanes

Like CNCjunkie says, "longer flybar = faster cyclic"

I don`t know your flying style, but with more agressive
cyclic throws, you might want to make a simpel
boome strike indicator, just to se how close the blades
get to the boome, most people gets very surpriced.


Regards Bo
11-08-2009 12:07 PM
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nivlek
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The longer flybar increases the cyclic rate but also increases stability .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .
11-08-2009 12:12 PM
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Fixit
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Yup, 700N flybars.. and they fit the spectra properly too
so is the 700 F/B 9 1/4" longer than the Spectra bar?

I only like to fly gassed up
11-08-2009 12:51 PM
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bobbyk
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The 700 flybar length is 570mm and that is what I use in my Spectra, it fit perfect.

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Robert

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11-08-2009 01:11 PM
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erichevy
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It won't hurt,
Just try it, you might like it.
Call it fine tuning, and make the heli fly the way you like it.

Eric.
11-08-2009 03:45 PM
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smallplanes
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Well the flybar is 28inchs long(711mm) now to me that seems WAY to long. My stock flybar from MA is 18inchs(457mm)so the other one is close to ten inchs longer. Not only that it's so long it has a bow in it it not perfectly straight. This is the last piece to put on my heli and it will be ready to fly again after i took the motor out and had Al work on it. I also put my spartan gyro on it and it has be untested by my on this heli,i had it on my 700 and it worked perfect. I di want to let you guys know that i'm not a 3d pilot(i want to be) all i do is fly around at random and do flips rolls and a very little inverted hovering. But still yet i want all my stuff as good as Markus Kim was flying it. What do you guys think about the EXTRA long flybar? I think it's for those who take pics from there heli. My flybar was on bent just a little i'm think of carring it over to my shop and put a indicator on it and keep bending it until it runs pretty straight and put it back on. Let me know what you guys think about the flybar and why MA would make such a long one?


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Ivan

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11-08-2009 04:12 PM
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nivlek
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It sounds to me like the longer flybar could well be intended to be used with paddles that are threaded through their entire length.

At the end of the day , it gets dark .
11-08-2009 04:15 PM
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j.8
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Hi smallplanes

Well ok, that`s a very long flybar, 28inchs long(711mm)
I would not use a flybar, that is that much longer,
than the one you used to fly with.

This is a copy/paste from the link CNCjunkie postet.

1) increase the moment of inertia (the flywheel effect) of the flybar. This means that the flybar will need a greater torque to impose a given rolling or pitching rate on it.
2) However, in putting the paddles further out we have increased the leverage that they have so that, for a given aerodynamic force on the paddles, we have a bigger torque.
3) In addition, by putting the paddles further out we have, for a given head speed, increased the airspeed of the paddles and thus increase the aerodynamic forces they produce.
Now effect 1) acts to slow down the response of the flybar, and it involves a square law so a 10% increase in flybar length increases the torque needed for a given roll rate by about 20%. However, effect 3) also involves a square law so, with the paddles 10% further out they produce 20% more force for a given cyclic pitch. So effects 1) and 3) cancel one another out. This leaves effect 2) which is linear and so a 10% increase in flybar length speeds the flybar up by 10%.
11-08-2009 04:29 PM
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CNCjunkie
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I don't even see a flybar listed on the MA site that is 28in long. Do you have the part number?

The flybar is much too long IMO. At his point I'm sure you don't want to start messing around with the way it handles, but just want to get to flying. I would either cut to the correct length and re-thread or buy the correct part.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
11-08-2009 04:39 PM
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smallplanes
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Well i'm not quiet sue what all that means but from the sound of it is my fly bar is about a foot to long. Why would they make a flybar that long? I think i'm going to have to walk next door to my shop and try to get me bent flybar straight. I'm so tired of bad luck i could scream,it seams like every thing i get is wrong or there is a problem with it.

Thanks for helping

Spectra G 26cc
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2 Evo 50's
3 Trex 450's
Trex 700
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11-08-2009 04:45 PM
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I don't know the part number it just came to me in a longer cardboard box i don't think it came with a part number. I ordered it from MA in Florida be for they closed down. Thant was the only thing i ordered nothing else on the heli was messed up. I'm going to try and straighten mine if not i will get my brother to cut it off and rethread it. I'm a milling machine programmer and operator my brother is the lathe programmer. I would get him to do it today but he will not work on Sunday. Did you guys say a Trex 700 flybar will work? If so i might take the one out of my 700 and put on it.

Thanks for all the help

Spectra G 26cc
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11-08-2009 04:56 PM
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