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2slow
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Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.



n response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
11-06-2009 09:27 PM
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Dennis
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When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

Yeah right. I would like to see them enforce that. It would be a joke. Not a funny one either.

11-06-2009 09:34 PM
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SSN Pru
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pot smokers and drug dealers would quickly be replaced by people not paying into the healthcare racket.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
11-06-2009 10:47 PM
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helicoop
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When you go to jail you would get free health care
11-06-2009 11:48 PM
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Dennis
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When you go to jail you would get free health care

And free chow and a new roomie.

11-06-2009 11:56 PM
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InvertedDude
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A Tyrannical Government has arrived!!!!

It is time to use the 2nd amendment!

Joking aside..

WTF are these clowns thinking? Go to jail for not buying health insurance????? I understand the need for vehicle insurance because driving is a privilege but health insurance????
11-07-2009 12:09 AM
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gian
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Of course! Where else are they going to find $12 trillion? They'll take it from the citizens one way or another.
11-07-2009 12:16 AM
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Dennis
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Of course! Where else are they going to find $12 trillion? They'll take it from the citizens one way or another.

Its just pathetic. Another attempt by Palosi to satisfy her far lefty pals and kiss butt with Obama.

I don't believe it will pass all the way to the presidents signature.

Well, I hope it don't anyway.
11-07-2009 12:32 AM
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Hivoltage
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Lets put Palosi in jail, and Obama too just for the hell of it. They both suck!!!!

I Dont Have No Stink'in Signature
11-07-2009 03:29 AM
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fla heli boy
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Yeah makes sense. You can't afford the insurance, so we'll throw you in jail, replacing a true criminal, you'll lose your job, we'll pay to jail you, pail to feed you and take care of your health, then when you get out we'll slap you with a fine you can't pay, because now you have no job, then we'll pay you unemployment or welfare, because there are no jobs and you now have a criminal record keeping you from getting a job in the first place. OH, and that health insurance you went to jail for?? Well NOW you get it for free because you're out of work. Well thought out, just amazing forethought by these chimps. It makes you wonder if they've EVER lived in the real world.

"go with God son......and a bag full of guns"
11-07-2009 04:09 PM
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InvertedDude
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fla heli boy

These people in government are doing these things because WE the PEOPLE allow it.

Something to think about.....might want to take a look at yourself and your fellow voters.
11-07-2009 06:49 PM
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fla heli boy
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not really, I study up on who I vote for. This next one, I'm voting out all incumbents. Every one needs to go.

"go with God son......and a bag full of guns"
11-07-2009 07:00 PM
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Dennis
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not really, I study up on who I vote for. This next one, I'm voting out all incumbents. Every one needs to go.

+1
11-07-2009 07:18 PM
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2slow
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+2
11-07-2009 08:40 PM
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rcflyer_09
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They put this into effect I'm hitting to woods, whos with me? For real... I'm going to start stocking up on camping gear, who knows what these clowns will try. My God what is this country comming to.
11-07-2009 11:19 PM
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nitrojunkie
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It aint comming. It's been here since Nov of last year!!!!

I love the smell of nitro in the morning..
11-08-2009 01:55 PM
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fla heli boy
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If we all stand up and refuse, they can't do a thing about it. They can't jail us all. F'em, cuz I'm not gonna be a part of it.

"go with God son......and a bag full of guns"
11-08-2009 04:02 PM
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debogus
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"They can't jail us all".

Think your free now ?
11-08-2009 04:14 PM
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fla heli boy
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No, I don't think we re at all!!! We lose more freedoms everyday and it's just accelerating now.

"go with God son......and a bag full of guns"
11-08-2009 04:32 PM
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InvertedDude
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Just quit your job

If every American would just quit their job and learn how to live off the land. There really isn't too much the Feds can do. Screw the Federal Gov't for threating to throw us all in jail. The reality is that I can't even afford the 2.5% fee nor afford the required insurance mandates.

Sell your houses for what you paid for it and just go buy a nice roomy tent! LoL!!! I can't scream anymore and say this health care law is unconstitutional!

Never in my life would I think my own Gov't would pass some dragon law that will throw people in jail.

I think we all need to revolt and just sell our cars, house, default on all debts and whatever else they tax on. Give up our jobs and just go on welfare and call ourselves illegals. The federal gov't would collapse overnight then we can take back what belongs to us.
11-08-2009 05:25 PM
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