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magster
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I was on MRC's website and noticed the EVO 90 was no longer being offered. Is Hirobo going to come out with a new entry level 90? The Turbulence is a bit pricey for many people including myself.
11-04-2009 10:06 PM
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mustang1349
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maybe a plastic version of the turbulence for about 600. would be way better than an evo and i love my evo . or its only a web site problem

Hirobo! or go home
11-04-2009 10:20 PM
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Dr.Ben
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Though MRC is not actively bringing the Evo 90 into the US now, the kit HAS NOT been discontinued by Hirobo. If you would like one of these models or any of the numerous variants of the base kit, MRC will be more than pleased to order it for you.

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11-05-2009 12:19 AM
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Ace Dude
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Ben, does that mean the only 90 sized heli that MRC will be importing is the Turbulence?



11-05-2009 12:33 AM
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870heli
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EVO-90

Just my luck. Got two new EVO-90's and they discontinue them.
Gess every one in the world will buy T-rex or take up golf.
870-Heli
11-05-2009 02:19 AM
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GM1
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I would expect parts support to continue on these models for quite some time, probably longer than it will take to wear them out. Hirobo has that history. The Evo line is still in production and a couple of new versions have recently come out in Japan. I am looking at one of the new versions very seriously as my 2010 FAI machine.
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11-05-2009 02:28 AM
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Dr.Ben
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870heli,

Read the words: the Evo 90 has NOT been discontinued by Hirobo, and MRC is not going to up and stop bringing in parts for the model. Furthermore, if Hirobo stopped making the kit tomorrow, they would produce parts for it for YEARS and YEARS.

Right now, the D3 is the only Hirobo 90 sized model that MRC is sctively importing, but THEY WILL GET YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT JUST FOR THE ASKING.

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11-05-2009 03:25 AM
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2kwik2c
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I'm well aware that the Freya EVO 90 is still manufactured and available overseas, but my curious question is what made MRC drop the Freya EVO 90 line in the first place? Is it because there's not much buyers and the market for it is kinda out-of-date since there are more newer non-Hirobo 90s out there? For starters the Turbulence D3 is rather steep in price for those who wants a 90 size Hirobo heli. The Freya EVO 90 is just the perfect price and platform to start and learn. You wouldn't want to crash a D3...believe me!
11-05-2009 02:54 PM
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We have a mess of parts for the EVO 90 and we will have a mess of parts for years and years. MRC can get parts for all of the up to date helicopters that HIROBO manufactures. Basically if HIROBO has it MRC can get it.

MRC will import anything that we have requests for.

The FREYA EVO 90 is "NOT" Discontinued and will not be discontinued for a long time. In fact Hirobo is still coming out with different EVO 90s with Option heads.

The demand for the 90 is just not as strong as it has been in the past. I agree it is a strong platform. You can still get the EVO 90. If you would like one just send me a request.

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11-05-2009 03:11 PM
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2kwik2c
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The demand for the 90 is just not as strong as it has been in the past. I agree it is a strong platform. You can still get the EVO 90. If you would like one just send me a request.

Out of curiosity, what is the turn around time if one is to request an EVO 90 from MRC? A week, two weeks perhaps?
11-05-2009 05:11 PM
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You can expect delivery from 2 to 3 weeks.

-Greg G.-
11-05-2009 06:21 PM
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Alpine
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I hope Hirobo does not go the way of Kyosho with the 90 machines and only offers high end 90s . There seems to be a huge market for that size birds . I think Kyosho pretty much did themselves in with the average modeler years ago after their huge success with the Concept line up.

Roberto.

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11-05-2009 08:54 PM
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870heli
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90-EVO

Read the words the EVO-90 has NOT been discontinued by Hirobo( but MRC is not actively bringing the EVO-90 into the US now). I get it!! The US is where I live and buy my helis. I have two new EVO-90s and I think there popularity may have just taken a shot. Don't get me wrong I like MRC and Hirobos. I have seven EVO-50s and a new SDX. Oh yeh I have another EVO-50 in the box. Lets see has any of them been discont#### well you know.
I was a little upset when I heard they were not being stocked any longer. I have seen many things (good things) go away due to popularity and it is somewhat upsetting to me.
I don't mean you (Dr.Ben) or anyone on here any disrespect. I just don't like being the last one shelling out good money(for two) for yesterdays news.
I have other brands of helicopters and have owned most in the last 27 years. I hate to see something I like diminish in any way.
Well hears to the future and some new products from MRC and Hirobo.

Buz - 870Heli - AMA4663
11-06-2009 01:15 AM
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Dr.Ben
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Buz,

I understand exactly what you are saying. And I didn't mean to sound like a smart ass or to be disrespectful with the "read the words" phrasing either. But the reality here that the stocking decisions for MRC and any other outlet are based on market demand. To stay in business, MRC cannot stock kits which don't sell very often. Market demand in the US for the Evo 90 has become quite soft in spite of the model's ability to fulfill a unique need for a high quality, simple to assemble, entry level 90 sized model. It took MRC an amazing amount of time to sell down backstock of the Evo 90's. The same applies for the Evo 50's. When you're trying to keep a business afloat in tough economic times, you just can't have 1000's of dollars worth of kits on the shelf that aren't moving. Thus the only rationale decision for them for now was to bring the Evo90's in whenever asked and keep the parts support intact.

If anyone here can suggest a more rationale approach to this quandry, I'd be interested to hear it. Just please remember; if MRC's management fails to make sound business decisions in this crappy economy and ends up going under, we ALL lose the benefit of such a sound distributor with an excellent history of customer support.

Any good manufacturer must progress and continue to offer new products. For a while it looked kinda like Hirobo was stuck in time as they were slow to evolve the 50 and a 90 for the current market. Now that they have and are back on the forefront of performance, it might seem to some as though the older models, including the Evo 90, are going to be left totally out in the cold. As an owner of an E3 and Freya EXII, I can tell you that I have little concern for support for my models anytime in the forseeable future. Another thing to remember...In the old days, models really were often junk, and the ones that came after really did render the older products more or less worthless. In almost every facet of our hobby these days, the new equipement being released is a further improvement on what was already quite good. Thus even though the SDX is a noticeable step up from an Evo 50, it's existence doesn't mean you old model is crap. These slightly older models are just fine, and if you happen to have one, then enjoy the hell out of it. When you crash, wear it out, or otherwise want something new, then Hirobo has the product to fill that need as well.

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11-06-2009 01:30 AM
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ErichF
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The only issue I could see is that buying from MRC direct special order would require one to pay full retail price, whereas buying from a retailer like Ron's or Heliproz would offer some discount from retail. Am I wrong?

I know that's how Kyosho America rolls. You buy direct from them, you pay their full retail price.

Erich
11-06-2009 01:51 AM
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I think Kyosho pretty much did themselves in with the average modeler years ago after their huge success with the Concept line up.

That was when Taya left Kyosho and designed the next big thing...the Thunder Tiger Raptor 30.

Every manufacturer has it's cycle. Today is just Align's turn. In ten years, it will be some other company.

Erich
11-06-2009 01:56 AM
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Dr.Ben
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Erich,

RE the pricing, Ron, etc. can order the kit via MRC. Ron can bill the price to the customer at whatever discount he can afford. MRC will likely even drop ship the kit straight to the customer.

Easy.

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11-06-2009 02:38 AM
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ErichF
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RE the pricing, Ron, etc. can order the kit via MRC. Ron can bill the price to the customer at whatever discount he can afford. MRC will likely even drop ship the kit straight to the customer.

Easy.



But, is there an Easy Button??

Erich
11-06-2009 02:43 AM
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2kwik2c
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My next question would be how's MRC doing in regards to the sale of Turbulence D3s, are they doing well enough that they are selling like every week or month? I can say that the SDX is doing well considering the good price and number of peple buying this kit. But for those who are looking for a 90 size, there' isn't any other Hirobo 90s out there that's within reach of a normal salaryman.

I'm thinking that MRC would have done it the opposite way by having the Turbulence D3 the special order item and keep the Freya EVO 90 line. Wouldn't MRC lose more money by buying bulk orders of D3s and not have many people buy them because they're steep in price? As Ben mentioned what's the point of keeping a model if you can't even sell them? Again Ben have mentioned our economy isn't in great shape and many people would rather hold on to their money or find bargains to stretch their dollar. For a retail market price of $1499.99 for the D3 and $799.99 for the Freya EVO 90, I'd say the most rational way would be to buy the $799.99 Freya EVO 90. People nowadays are becoming more practical. If I was a person looking for a good quality 90 size heli that I can use while the economy is bad, I'd rather spend it on the Freya EVO 90 and have the other remaining $700 to buy the engine and servos, etc. When the ecomony goes bad and you have other priorities in life besides this hobby then you whole prespective changes. It's not going to be all about performance, newer model, newer techonology etc. It's all about stretching your hard earned dollar while still having fun and keeping your hobby.

Let's look at the Video Games Console wars in the late 2000. Sony Playstation 3, Microsoft Xbox360 and Nintendo Wii. Before all of these game consoles were released to the public there's was a big hype about the new Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 about being faster performance, Blu-ray/HD DVD capability, built-in wifi, better 1080I/P video resolution, etc.etc. Basically we're talking about the whole bells and whistles. Nintendo however have the Wii which is basically a simple game console without all the bells and whistles. Nintendo's market strategy is about fun-factor at a reasonable price. When all of these systems came out to all to the store shelves, Sony and Microsoft were shocked and surprised that the public bought more Nintendo Wiis than their own game consoles. They're market predictions were totally wrong. The Playstation 3 was price at $599.99 upon release; the Xbox360 was $499.99 upon release; the Nintendo Wii was at $299.99 upon release. The public has spoken and decided to get the Wii. The person working for Sony and the main guy for marketing the Playstation was fired because of this miscalculation. Sony was the front runner of video game consoles with their Playstation 2, but fell back miserably with their Playstation 3.

Bottom line is that the market and consumers are unpredictable. You got to see and feel for yourselves what's out there and put yourselves in the consumers shoes. Not just advertise and say this is better than the old one, but the new one will be more pricey. Then I'd rather go with the old model and still have fun with it. Its not all about newer technology, its about what consumers can reach. Out of the 90% Hirobo buyers out here in the US (this is beside overseas consumers who are also affected by this bad economy), I can say that only about 15-20% of them who are hardcore to the bones will keep patronizing Hirobo even though the market is bad because 1. they can probably afford $1500 - $3500 kits so money is no object or 2. they're sponsored or work for the company. But for the other 70% who are normal mid-class working people who can only afford a certain amount, then there will be no market for it. I would rather spend my hard earned money on something else other than Hirobo. If I were Hirobo, I would offer the kits that are within the reach of consumers as oppose to offering the latest and greatest kit that cannot be bought by medial earning consumers yearning for a good, quality heli.

As for the 2 ~ 3 weeks of waiting for a special ordered Freya EVO 90, I'd rather get a JR or go back to Align whom I know have kits and parts readily available. I think that move will be the cause of MRC and Hirobo's demise should they continue this practice.
11-06-2009 02:51 AM
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magster
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If the Evo 90 becomes a special order only machine in the U.S., it will die. The Turbulence is an awesome bird but I believe once the initial orders are filled, not a lot of these kits are going to be sold at $1500 a pop, especially in this economy. Like Mustang1349 said, they need to come out with a plastic version of the D3. Hopefully in the $700 range.
11-06-2009 09:40 AM
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