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Scale Model RC Helicopters > RC Aerodyne 450 size UH-1 tail questions /Anyone built one of these?
 
 
splitboarder
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Hey, thanks for the pics guys. Now I know what I have to look forward too. I have a couple of questions I hope you can answer

I have the civilian model

Did the screws you used to install the front windshield come with the kit?

And gluing in the windows- do I use CA glue? And is there a method to put them in like masking them with scoth tape first or anything? Im new at building scale and I dont want my first build to look like........well , my first build


And the plastic gears for the tail-did you swap them out to metal?
11-10-2009 06:24 PM
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doorman
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First Build

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Did the screws you used to install the front windshield come with the kit?

And gluing in the windows- do I use CA glue? And is there a method to put them in like masking them with scoth tape first or anything? Im new at building scale and I dont want my first build to look like........well , my first build


And the plastic gears for the tail-did you swap them out to metal?

splitboarder
Lets see if we can help you out a little bit....
There are screws in the kit that can be used for the windshield, but I have a selection of differnent sizes and that is what is on my civilian unit... Hobby shop and look for train hardware.. they usually have quite the selection of small screws.... Mine are #0 x 3/16
The glue for the windows... do not CA them.. this can fog them ....and foam safe CA might not fog, but just doesn't seem to hold well on F/G, so we used Formula '560' Canopy glue made by Pacer.. it is a white glue that dries virtually clear, so you will not notice any minor mistakes "too much".....and I like to use the blue masking tape used for painting to hold the windows in while the glue dries overnight....
And while you are at your LHS... Pick up a pack of Self Adhesive Lead Weights... it took about 1 1/2oz in the nose for the proper CG with the battery installed.... and for the tail rotor push rod pick up a package of Sullivan Gold-n-Cable #508... and use that to run to the tail actuator....(we can post more pics if needed) And that should just about do it for the little extra items that you will be needing...
As for the plastic tail drive gears... the new metal units are on the way!!!!! And I am going to play with the tension on the belt a little more this time... I am thinking that I had mine a bit tight....
Hope this will help you out and feel free to ask if you should have more questions.....

Stan

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11-10-2009 10:35 PM
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ea01bg
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Tail gear

But the piros mine did where so pretty

You had me at hover
11-11-2009 12:50 AM
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splitboarder
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are you speaking of the plastic "will fail" drive gears on the HK450 that come with the heli? Mine failed too. half way thru my second pack
11-11-2009 06:00 AM
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doorman
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Tail Drive Gears

Yes that does seem to be the weak link.. So we are changing them out to metal and will continue testing...

Stan

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11-11-2009 11:06 AM
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ea01bg
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The Align plastic failed as well

Mine had the Align plastic gear but it didnt hold up much better.
In fact if it had spun sooner I'd still have landing gear

You had me at hover
11-12-2009 05:04 PM
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splitboarder
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Yeah, after loosing the first plastic one, I only go metal on the drive and tail gears

How did you guys attach the heli frame to the fuse? Got a couple of pics?

Thanks
11-16-2009 03:43 PM
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doorman
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Mounting Info...

Here you go splitboarder.... sorry it took me so long to put these up....
As you can see, I changed the mounting screws to 2.5mm bolts with nyloc nuts that I ca'd to the frame after cutting away the "little" humps that the original screws went into.....
I did use the holes as supplied and it seemed to work fine..
I also added 1/16" plywood across the bottom of the frames, also ca'd to the frame.... I used a single thickness at the rear and double at the front.....by doing the set up this way, it is a very simple and easy install and remove if need be...
All you need to do is to remove the top rear bolt at the 45 and remove the tail case, the four front bolts and out it comes....
The original tail boom needs to be cut to 30.8 cm... (Thanks ea01bg)
Do the belt tension while out of the fuselage with the 45 attached and all working, and tighten it all up... then pop the tail case and the top bolt at the 45 and you will have it....
You will also notice the brass tubing running up to the side frame from the top of the servo tray on the left side, and on the right side it goes to the bottom of the fuselage floor with a piece of 1/16" plywood and epoxy... makes for a nice smooooooth flier!!!!
I did also, as you mentioned, cut the doghouse top rear so that the anti-rotation pin would not hit.... added some Xtec Lighting, some screen in the sides and front and there you have it....
This is one nice little heli, that looks GREAT just tooling around our indoor area, and no reason not to fly it outdoors either.....
Good Luck, Stan



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11-17-2009 11:11 PM
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splitboarder
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Thanks a bunch Doorman. It took me a while to figure out how you would mount this thing. Love your brace for the tail rod also. Sweet looking bird. I was also going to add the screen. Nice touch

Thanks for helping out a newbie. Maybe I will have mine flying by the weekend. ( But snow may be falling in the beloved Sierra, which means I must head north to greet it)
11-17-2009 11:19 PM
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ea01bg
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Thats not the rod that came with the fuse. Its Sullivan Gold-n-Cable.
Much better for the bend to the tail.

You had me at hover
11-18-2009 12:31 AM
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splitboarder
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Yeah ea01b, I pick up that yesterday along with some 1/16 plywood. Again I cant thank you and doorman enough. If i would have tried to follow the instructions that come with the kit I would have most likely been out 89 dollars .

Now if I could just find the time to work on it
Damn Work is always getting in the way
11-18-2009 04:49 PM
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splitboarder
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Im FLYING IT

I finished up my UH-1D this holiday weekend. I want to thank doorman and ea01bg for all their help.

This was tough for me as it was the first scale build I have done , didnt know much about how it should go together.I secured the heli a little different than doorman. I saw that he had drilled the fuse at the points where the heli frame screws to the bottom plate but after I drilled the front holes I was nervous about getting the two rear holes lined up in the correct place so I decided to use the wood that was alreadt glassed in the fuse for the landing struts. I glued together 3 piecies of 1/16 plywood and went across the heli frame and drilled all the way throgh the landing gear wood pieces and used longer cap screws to bolt the landing gear, fuse and frame all at once. I like this method and if I do a secong I will secure the front of the heli frame the same way so I wont have any extra screw holes in the bottom Broke one of the landing struts while trying to bend it . Used 1/4 inch copper tubing to repair it and I havent painted the copper or glued in my landing gear yet. The Goldenrod#508 control rod for the tail works great. thats after my second installation. The first try I secured the plastic tube too far from the tail servo and had too much movment. I put 2 cracks in the fuse while putting it together. I put a small crack in the tail cowling, mostly paint I think. See the close up. I also put a crack in the bottom when I over thightened the heli frame to the fuse. They are small but I would like to repair them. What is the best method? Bondo? and sanding
After copying doorman's set up I had no other problems.
It does fly nice
Thanks for all the help guys!!

12-01-2009 03:05 PM
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doorman
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LOOKING GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

splitboarder

Nice Job.......
It looks good.... glad that we could help you get your first taste of scale!!!!! You do realize that this will spread rapidly, and you will need your next one or two on the bench.....
And I am pretty sure that ea01bg will confirm this....
Good luck with it, and have fun..... you are on your way.... from now on a pod and boomer is going to look "undressed"!!!!!!


Stan

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12-01-2009 06:11 PM
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splitboarder
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Thanks Stan. It was a big weekend. I also took the trex600 AP ship up for the first time and got some HighDef video. Still working on that end

And sorry- Thats ea01bg. Must be drinking too much at night,cant see or read in the morning
12-01-2009 06:40 PM
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ea01bg
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Nice

Looks good.

You had me at hover
12-02-2009 03:09 PM
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doorman
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Little Details Added....

Had my "Buddy" Al, cut me some graphics to help make that paint job "POP".... I think he did a great job and that it makes this little heli stand out nicely.... I still have a couple of things that I want to add, but it is close to being as done as it will get!!!!



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12-03-2009 07:05 PM
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splitboarder
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Ohhh now thats a nice touch. I have also been wondering how I should put something on mine
12-03-2009 07:23 PM
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vermonster
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Nice Stan! Looks fabulous.

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12-03-2009 08:13 PM
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J_Cunny
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Cracks

You were asking about repairing the cracks? Here's my suggestion. Since you want to retain structural integrity as well as make it asthetcally pleasing (looks good), you should try and fill the crack area with thick CA first. Let this dry. For smaller areas aplly with a toothpick laid flat on its side if needed. If you get a little outside the crack area, no big deal, you can wet sand it down later. The trick is to fill the void with CA. The CA will retain the strength factor, because it will actually penetrate the fibers and hold better. The problem with just putting Bondo spot putty over the crack without reinforcing it first, is when the fuse or part flexes the Bondo sometimes won't and then you either get it to flake off, or crack itself. Ok, now that we have the crack filled, you have two options:

Option A, you could get out the wet/dry sandparer and wet sand the CA down flush. This make take awhile depending on how much you used. Incidentally, WET SAND!! Do yourself a favor here, dry sanding takes way to long. You don't have to remove the electronics, just get a small bowl with water and dip your sandpaper in it frequently. The trick to wet sanding is to keep the area wet. Progress through the grits stopping about in the 600 grit range. Primer her, and paint. Depending on how you did your CA job, this area could be very small or big (just do yourself a favor, don't be a slob with the CA and you'll be fine).

Option B is to still wet sand, but now once you get her really nice and smooth (using paper in the 240-320 grit range only), now apply your Bondo spot putty (about 3 bucks a tube at Walmart) over the presanded area. The reason you are stopping at 240-320 grits with this method, is that you need someting on the surface of the area for the Bondo to "bite" into. Apply Bondo in thin coats, do not over do it here! Bondo doesn't play well with paint, so try as much as possible to cover only the sanded/previosly CA filled area only. Wet sand this area down to 600 grit paper till she's smooth, if needed you can cheat, and put a little primer over it when you're close to to get a feel for "valleys, and hills" in the surface. What you're after here is a totally FLAT surface (relatively speaking). When I mean flat, I mean the area repaired, follows the contour or the area not repiared. The sufrace matches. If you do this correct, You will be able to close your eyes, run your findger over the area, and NOT be able to tell where you fixed it at. Once she's smooth, primer and paint to match.

If you have an airbrush, use it. You could "rattle can" her, but you may find it tricky to do small areas this way. I would suggest using enamel, versus laquer or acrylic. The issue with laquer paint is, if she was previously painted with enamel, she will probably "orange peel" on you (adverse paint reaction due to the way laquer dries). Enamel on the other hand, can be painted over laquer without issue. Laquer is also more "finicky" to spray as is is really easy to screw up the mix, or have issues spraying due to cold temps or hot temps. Laquer really likes to be sprayed in a temp range of 65 to 75 dregrees F.




Hope this helps.

JC

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12-05-2009 11:23 AM
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