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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Raja how about a jewel for the Radikal
 
 
CNCjunkie
Senior Heliman
Location: Kauai (The Garden Isle), Hawaii - USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Oh no!

I'm planning on purchasing the Radikal later after everything is available, such as the pull start. I for one would like to see the Jewel mounted on top.

Why not offer both options? Like has been said in the past, one reason for owning a gasser is you don't have to lug around field equipment. Granted a starter is only one piece of extra equipment (provided you don't use a separate or detached battery), but that brings the count to 4 and if you carry your stuff any distance, it's going to be a pain to juggle the heli, TX, gas can and starter.

Besides, you might sell 2x as many if you provide both options.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
11-12-2009 02:38 PM
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rjhpilot91
Senior Heliman
Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		:madGreat, now ill have to buy a starter if century wont take it back.

I should have just bought a stupid nitro for a third of the price at this point. The more I learn about this machine, the more I dislike it.

Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission!
11-12-2009 02:47 PM
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Tap or Snap
Senior Heliman
Location: Springhill, Fl

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		What about a generator mounted off to the side driven from the main gear. The generator would need its own pinion and mesh with the main gear. Just a thought maybe.

--Jeff--
11-12-2009 03:33 PM
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Fixit
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Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		It has been done before on a Raptor I think it was.

I only like to fly gassed up
11-12-2009 03:41 PM
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T J Gilbert
Heliman
Location: Ridgeland, MS - USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		My future Radikal

I'll also buy one someday...
It will have a pull start and a jewel generator.
Until then, I'm going to watch from the sidelines as you guys kill all the bugs.
Keep up the good work!
11-12-2009 03:56 PM
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zorba
Senior Heliman
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada

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It has been done before on a Raptor I think it was.
Yeap it has been done.
Here's my setup. Raptor 60V2 Gasser.


Never too old to learn...and never too young to do it again. And the ground always wins..
11-12-2009 10:34 PM
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hootowl
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Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		The Vario Acrobatic I had had the G26 with the integrated pull starter. Basically a miniature lawn mower engine.

The removable starter is nice but it's a contraption. I often see guys wiggling it around to get it on and off.

I don't own a gasser anymore but the on board pullstart was really convenient.

Personally I fly different stuff so I always have a nitro starter on hand.
11-12-2009 10:44 PM
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Fixit
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Location: UK

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Yeap it has been done.
Here's my setup. Raptor 60V2 Gasser.

That’s the one Bill, did you make it yourself? I seem to remember someone selling them on here a long time ago and having a bit of a tiff with Raja

I only like to fly gassed up
11-13-2009 12:37 AM
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Excalibur
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I'm leaning towards the generator on the bottom as that would make things easier to install, not have to flip the torrington bearing, and not have to buy the pull start option.

Ohhh. . . no, that's disappointing Raja. Part of the beauty of flying a Gasser is the lack of field support crap you have to drag with you to go flying. That's been one of the causes you've been championing for years now. Dont go to the dark side!

Xcal

Camper Fuel: It's Not Just for Breakfast Anymore
11-13-2009 04:18 AM
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CNCjunkie
Senior Heliman
Location: Kauai (The Garden Isle), Hawaii - USA

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Ohhh. . . no, that's disappointing Raja. Part of the beauty of flying a Gasser is the lack of field support crap you have to drag with you to go flying. That's been one of the causes you've been championing for years now. Dont go to the dark side!

Xcal, I'm with you man... My sentiments exactly!

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
11-13-2009 04:39 AM
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rbort
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Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Brain storming

Well the trouble is if you make it top mount then you have to reverse the torrington bearing which is "more work" for the average Joe and there will be no more electric starts. At the moment from what I hear pull start is not available until probably January time frame.

If you make it bottom mount then its alot easier to add on without having to disassemble the helicopter and the electric start will be the way.

There may be a possible way to bottom drive it and still allow for the pull starter to work on it, but that is yet to be determined.

The goal is to make it self supportive so when you start the engine it can power itself up and not need an ignition battery. If the engine quits well then you don't need a battery anyways there. The only drawback is if the generator gets loose or something then the motor would quit due to lack of ignition power. The good news is that you would trade the ignition battery for the Jewel and come up even Steven no heavier than you started. A way around the generator failure engine quit scenario is to use a tiny 400mah Nimh ignition battery which weights almost nothing. It will be enough for you to notice that the remote charge indicator LED went out and then you would land it before the battery dies.

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
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11-13-2009 05:08 AM
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Fixit
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Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Top Mount
Everyone that’s running a Jewel had to strip the Heli and reverse the bearing and I haven’t heard one complaint one line about having to do that so why the concern now, the best place on most Helicopters is the top where its going to sustain the least damage when you crash.

The only thing is the 20cc is a bugger to start with the pull as some people will experience when they start using one so for that reason only I can se why you might design it to fit underneath.

I only like to fly gassed up
11-13-2009 12:06 PM
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rbort
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Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Precisely

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The only thing is the 20cc is a bugger to start with the pull as some people will experience when they start using one so for that reason only I can se why you might design it to fit underneath.

That is precisely my concern as I've heard this before and if I put it on top and make it pull start only, folks might get upset with starting and we could be having the "how to pull start" talk all over again. Also some folks due to age or strength just don't like to get on their knees and pull, so the electric is a life saver for them.

Only time will tell - I'll see how easy or difficult is it starting, but that's my thought process.

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
Spectra-g, G26 3DMax, 870+ flights
11-13-2009 03:15 PM
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CNCjunkie
Senior Heliman
Location: Kauai (The Garden Isle), Hawaii - USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Why not offer both options?

Some will want top start and some pull start. That's just the way of things. Options are always good.

Top mount is pretty much a no brainer. The Heli is almost the same design as the Predator in regards to a top mount except the frames are wider apart.

Bottom mount will take more thought to come up with a solution. Both are doable.

Also think about CG in the design process...

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
11-13-2009 03:37 PM
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rjhpilot91
Senior Heliman
Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I SOLVED THE PROBLEM!

For me anyway

I just returned my radikal to century unopened.

I'm getting a tried and true easy to start predator gasser, with a bottom pull start and a jewel on top.

Problem Solved!

Helicopters don't fly, they beat the air into submission!
11-13-2009 05:01 PM
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smallplanes
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Location: Timmonsville,S.C. ,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Why not make it where it pulls off the main gear like that one guy did? Then all problems solved and Raja want have to set on two types of mounts. Raja is not like Heliproz he can't set on a whole bunch of parts hoping to sell equal amounts all the time.

Thanks

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Jewel
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Raptor50
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11-13-2009 05:23 PM
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Excalibur
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Location: Destination: Earth

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I've got to agree with smallplanes, considering a side-mount Jewel off the main gear might make the most sense in this case. It's something that's been in the back of my mind ever since I bought mine. Cost may be more of a factor here for the mounting plates and a pinion gear, however.

Xcal

Camper Fuel: It's Not Just for Breakfast Anymore
11-14-2009 03:43 AM
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smallplanes
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Location: Timmonsville,S.C. ,USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		It may cost more but your not limited to using just a pull start or a top start,you could use both if need be. All he needs to do is find a cheap brass Trex pinion that would work and just make a mount. It's hard to please everyone.

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11-14-2009 05:56 AM
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Excalibur
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'd really like to see a side mount, Raja! =)

Xcal

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11-15-2009 05:58 AM
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