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xeon1000
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It just seem to me that the leftist mindset is that socialism, communisum and fascium are good ideas in theory and that there is some good in each that can be used, its just that they all got bad raps from the leaders of the past who were corupt. That some how we as a society are more advanced (well some of us) or should I say enlighten and less corupt(LOL)that they believe yes we can?

I remember my liberal 8th grade teacher telling us that communism was in thoery a great idea.(yeah maybe for ants)

Anyway any thoughts from the left?

No need for any bashing I just want to understand your point of view.

Please enlighten me!

11-01-2009 10:35 PM

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Dennis
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Its simple. You choose:

Liberals: More government. More taxes.

Conservatives: Less government. Less taxes.

11-02-2009 02:47 AM

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drdot
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fwiw..

You answered the question in your question...YOu used "liberal" and "mind" in the same sentence....

11-02-2009 02:52 AM

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Foz
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You answered the question in your question...YOu used "liberal" and "mind" in the same sentence....

Oh I get it...you're saying that liberals are dumb. How clever and original.

11-02-2009 03:15 PM

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2slow
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Here ya go...

11-02-2009 07:32 PM

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xeon1000
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Liberals: More government. More taxes.

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YOu used "liberal" and "mind" in the same sentence....

I get it you guys mean they don't mind

11-02-2009 09:49 PM

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drdot
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fwiw..

Sorry.. I didn't mean to be flip about the Liberal and Mind comment...Just stating the obvious...

11-02-2009 11:35 PM

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baby uh1
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How did you get OCB's CAT scan?

The pen is mightier than the sword, unless you're actually in a sword fight!

11-03-2009 11:48 AM

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1stPlace
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How did you get OCB's CAT scan?

Snicker snicker...

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11-03-2009 01:03 PM

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fla heli boy
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OCB's cat scan....too funny. I really wonder at times when you listen to a Lib, just how were you raised and why do you think the way you do. It's a nice theory and all to help people, we're all human beings afterall, but it's just gotten way out of control. There is just no accountability anymore. Have five kids by five fathers and they're all in jail....no problem, just go and get some cash from some government office. It just boggles the mind sometimes.....just watch Maury once in a while.
Go listen to Roger Waters CD "Amused to Death". Hilarious concept and so so true. The premise is spot on.

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11-03-2009 04:19 PM

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Foz
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OCB's cat scan....too funny. I really wonder at times when you listen to a Lib, just how were you raised and why do you think the way you do.

To answer your question, I was raised a conservative christian. However, as an adult I have the capacity to think for myself. I have worked hard to see all sides of the issues, not just how I was raised. I am now a left leaning athiest. When things really changed for me politically was when I spent several months teaching in the inner city. Trust me, most are not living the way that they do because they are lazy or trying to work the system. I believe in hard work and being self sufficient. However, I don't care how hard of a worker you are, every sucessful person has had help from someone in one way or another. This country is only as strong as its weakest citizens. Why shouldn't we help those who need our help? Why should we let the few that do take advantage of the system destroy things for those who truly need help?

Foz

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Dennis
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Foz

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However, I don't care how hard of a worker you are, every sucessful person has had help from someone in one way or another.

Even if that were true, so what. Folks that have failed have also had help and some have succeeded, and some have still failed.

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This country is only as strong as its weakest citizens.

If it was as strong as our weakest citizens, then how did we succeed in being the greatest nation in the world? Its because of the successful ones. Not the weakest ones. Geez.

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Why should we let the few that do take advantage of the system destroy things for those who truly need help?

That smacks of the present far left that says we are selfish, greedy, and take advantage of everyone. That is just pure intellectual dishonesty. We are still the most generous nation in the world today.

11-03-2009 06:59 PM

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fla heli boy
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I have no problem with helping others. But only the ones that want to help themselves. I see far too many people that have never worked, never will work and that's just OKAY with them. Plus their mothers didn't work, they have kids that don't work, or are in jail all of the time. This is NOT a race thing. I know plenty of white trash that fall into this compartment. Sadly, I can't see a way to energize these types of people to join the human race. Once again, as Roger Waters says....."This species has amused itself to death".

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11-03-2009 07:09 PM

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Foz
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I don't dispute that there are some people who do not want to work and are OK with the situation that they are in. My point is that these people are not the majority of struggling people and we should not let those people hurt efforts to help those who do not have that attitude. I also agree that it is not racial. I just used the inner city as an example because it was the experience that affected me the most.

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11-03-2009 07:18 PM

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fla heli boy
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right on and I agree. Hey, I'm at the bottom of life's barrel right now and thankfully I've got a good friend that is helping me out. I've got a little work here and there, but maybe 5% of what I was doing a couple years ago. I can understand what you're saying. I am just tired of everybody standing around with their hand out asking "well whats' the government gonna do for me"??? You know what, they aint gonna do much...it's up to you. It just seems like the number of people not willing to do for themselves grows every day. And taxing the rich is not the way to correct things. Poor people don't employ others, the wealthy are the only ones that do that. Unfortunately, it's become a crime to a lot of people to actually create wealth. I don't envy the wealthy, but I do ASPIRE to be wealthy. The difference is I understand that to get there will require some effort on my behalf. A point lacking in a lot of today's society.

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11-03-2009 07:41 PM

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1stPlace
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I was raised a conservative christian.

Me too!

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I just used the inner city as an example because it was the experience that affected me the most.

Nearly every inner city (maybe all of them?) is controlled by Democrats. It has been that way since the 1960's. Have Democrat policies improved the lives of the poor people in the inner cities? Or, has the status quo been maintained for generations?

Rather than continuing the path that has devastated those communities, we try a new direction? Get rid of the failing schools leadership. Get rid of the welfare programs that have made generations of people dependent on government. Destroy the criminals and drug dealers, show them no mercy! Make the schools work. Make the people work. Support the people with education. Give incentive to employers who put them to work. Make them well educated hard working people, and our cities will be beacons of hope rather than drug infested, crime ridden, slums.

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11-03-2009 07:54 PM

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Rob Faust
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helping those less fortunate

I agree with helping folks who truly need it. Like those who have lost everything due to natural disasters. HOWEVER, I think the decision to do so should be left up to the individual and not the government. I hate the idea of my government saying "Cough it up Rob, some poor sap needs your money more than you do!"

I don't want to be told (forced) to help others and I don't want them helping me. I can figure this life out myself and don't need or want help from anybody. And, I certainly don't want the government forcing you to help me.

I don't believe that everybody in this country "deserves" anything. Nice homes, cars and even health care are not things that people are entitled to. Those are simply the rewards of education, hard-work, being responsible and being productive. If you are not hard-working, responsible and productive...you do not get to have those things. I'm okay with that.

Our American way of life that we've all grown up with does not guarantee or promise you nice homes, cars, etc, etc. It does however afford oppurtunity like no other country on earth. Not everybody has the same amount of oppurtunity, but it is oppurtuinity nontheless. You make the best of what you are born with. If you play them right, even a crumy hand of cards can win the game.

11-04-2009 02:42 AM

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drdot
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fwiw..

Really simple...if sloth is rewarded, hard work denigrated....You get New Jersey!
Humans are herd animals...to a point...Socialism passes that point, hence has never been successful for long...

BC

11-04-2009 03:40 AM

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Foz
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I don't think any liberal is suggesting that everyone should be entitled to a a nice car and house. However, in my opinion healthcare should be a basic right not a luxury. There are intellectual arguments to be made for this but to me it is simply a moral issue. How can you deny someone their health because you don't feel that they have worked hard enough for it? To me public healthcare is no more socialist than government funded police forces, the military, fire departments, public roads, etc... If you get arrested you are guaranteed a free lawyer if you can't afford it. How is healthcare any different? If you have to call the police should you later be billed for their time? Should every road be a toll road? Some services need to be provided by the government and I believe healthcare is one of them; at least for those who can't afford it.

Foz

11-04-2009 03:37 PM

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jsenicka
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Where is the line?

Can the fact that one person exists place a legal burden of support on another? Say you have a "right" to health care. Without requiring you to pay for it, that means it must be funded somewhere. Assume that is either taxes, or higher health care premiums for people who do pay.

So if a person has a right to a product without the requirement to pay for it just because it is important, why is health care any different than housing, food, electricity, etc? Where is the line?

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