RunRyder RC Helicopter Topic - Cause or effect? - cracked A frame on Spectra G.

RR Rated M For Mature

HOME rrTV-PHOTO GALLERIES MY GALLERY HELP-FAQ

myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 396 ONLINE 18 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER START HERE

6 pages [ << < 2 3 ( 4 ) 5 6 NEXT >> ]

1273 views

POST REPLY

Heli Wholesaler	.	JR-Spektrum	.	E-flite
	.		.

Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Cause or effect? - cracked A frame on Spectra G.

bcm
Senior Heliman
Location: Tuolumne,CA

My Posts This: Topic Forum

I can tell you that the A frames were not cast. I made them all originally, and all from solid. The sprectra A frames were a consatant thickness, in other words they were not lightened the way the stratus a frames are.
Are the A frames that are breaking the old style, or are they the lightened version?

11-05-2009 07:30 AM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE HOMEPAGE

shawmcky
Key Veteran
Location: Isle of Wight,United Kingdom

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Anyone know

What percentage of MA parts are made in the U.S ?How many(If any)are outsourced?

Team- unbiased opinion,no experts here just trying to help thats all.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

11-05-2009 08:57 AM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

Malc1
Veteran
Location: EVESHAM,UK

My Posts This: Topic Forum

I`ve just ordered a couple of stock A frames for my spare parts box just in case.
I`m up for a couple of upgraded parts if anyone starts making any.

11-05-2009 10:56 AM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Quote
If you use SS it will be a lot heavier than the aluminum one and then it needs to black anodized

You can't anodize stainless and why would you? Stainless is three times stronger and three times heavier so you use 1/3 the material and you end up with the same thing.

I could look into making a stainless bracket if there were someone close by that can give me the important dimensions and do the testing. In volumes of 100 or more I can't see the cost being more than 20 bucks.

Quote
but the vast majority of the parts in our kits are produced right here in the USA.

So are Bergens and the price reflects it. There is nothing (hobby related) that is CNC'd in the US that can compete with off shore. Strictly speaking once a part is CNC'd the skill part is gone. So if you have a "machine operator" loading the billets in the US for 14/hr as opposed to a "machine operator" loading the billets in china for .25/hr, who do you think is going to win?

The parts can be engineered in India, Pakistan, and as a packaged deal in China. The pressure is for lower prices first, quality comes later. Look at the constant begging for more T-Rex's on products that they don't even have yet. The demand is price. Nobody gives a whoot about anything made in the US. Government Motors prooves it.

Ace
What could be more fun?

11-05-2009 01:51 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

jrockstuart
Elite Veteran
Location: Allen, Texas

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Quote
I can tell you that the A frames were not cast. I made them all originally, and all from solid. The sprectra A frames were a consatant thickness, in other words they were not lightened the way the stratus a frames are. Are the A frames that are breaking the old style, or are they the lightened version?

BCM, you used to work for MA?

I think the A-frames which are cracking are lightened because they are different from the old style A-frames which do not have the notch cut out for the spark plug boot. These old style A-frames have apparently been discontinued.

MinAir Spectra-G
Trex 450Pro V-bar /Scorpion /JR
Wally Motors/New England Heli/DL Canopies

11-05-2009 02:17 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

bcm
Senior Heliman
Location: Tuolumne,CA

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Quote
BCM, you used to work for MA?

I used to do a lot of work for MA. I wasnt an employee, we were a vendor.

11-05-2009 04:10 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE HOMEPAGE

jrockstuart
Elite Veteran
Location: Allen, Texas

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Breaking News!!

Brian just emailed me to let me know that Tim at MA had redesigned the A-frame awhile ago, and that the new batch of beefed up A-frames would be available for sale in the next couple of weeks. Brian follows this forum, and he will let us know when they are available.

So this problem solved.

Isn't Miniature Aircraft a great company to work with?

MinAir Spectra-G
Trex 450Pro V-bar /Scorpion /JR
Wally Motors/New England Heli/DL Canopies

11-05-2009 05:15 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

Fixit
Elite Veteran
Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Quote
So this problem solved.

So are you saying its been tested with the rear mounted muffler when you say problem solved?

I only like to fly gassed up

11-05-2009 05:50 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE HOMEPAGE GALLERY

rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Good stuff!

Yes I expected that to happen as when I was talking with them and Tim I voiced my concerns and they said they would do it. I asked for the spark plug center hold to be smaller, so the ring around it could be fatter/more meat to it. Would be interesting to see if that is how they did it or if they came up with a different idea than mine.

Fixit, tested with rear zimmerman, no. Just beefed up so its stronger A frames now, and folks will have to test with the new A-frames if they work then you all will have a working rear muffler

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
Spectra-g, G26 3DMax, 870+ flights

11-05-2009 05:54 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE HOMEPAGE GALLERY

gramey
Senior Heliman
Location: United Kingdom

My Posts This: Topic Forum

bcm the version that I have has been relieved on one side to allow the plug cap to sit more easily. I apologise if they're not cast I assumed that for it to fracture as it has then it was. I'm no engineer but I did used to work in an engineering factory and they never used to produce parts for high stress areas from castings, they were alway's forged or CNC'd.

jrockstuart that's great news on the upgraded A frame so thanks to you and Raja for championing the cause. Do you know if there is a pre order facility to enable people to order them in advance. The reason I ask is that if with no idea of demand they only produce a small batch then us Johnny foreigners may dip out on the first run.

MinAirUSA nice to see a company man on the forum, hopefully offering the kind of support Chris Bergen gives his customers on here. The bad news for him if there are to be upgraded parts and a degree of customer support on here is that he'll lose out on an order. I'd been seriously looking at trading the Spectra for a Bergen, but if the future is looking brighter I'll hang in there as I really like the way it flies. I may have it completely wrong but as has been said I think if you bring out some quality upgrades people will buy them. I'm not rich but I would rather pay once for quality than 3 times for junk. 3 sales may be better than one for the company but only to the point where the customer then deserts them.
Anyway nice to see you on here.

Smallplanes I appreciate the cost of a stock A frame is $17.00 but I'm also aware that the more expensive the material the higher the end cost would be. I they made a titanium version and it cost £40.00+ I'd pay it rather than $17.00 every couple of months, it would still work out cheaper in the long run.

Dumb thumb specialist

11-05-2009 07:52 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE

jrockstuart
Elite Veteran
Location: Allen, Texas

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Quote
Do you know if there is a pre order facility to enable people to order them in advance.

There is no way to pre-order them. I already asked about that. Hopefully there will be enough to go around.

MinAir Spectra-G
Trex 450Pro V-bar /Scorpion /JR
Wally Motors/New England Heli/DL Canopies

11-05-2009 08:15 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

MinAirUSA
rrAdvertiser
Location: Billings, Montana USA

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Guys, we got 150 of the A frames going out to anodizing next week, There's plenty!

Miniature Aircraft USA

11-05-2009 08:55 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE

gramey
Senior Heliman
Location: United Kingdom

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Will we be able to order direct from you or do we have to go through a store?

Dumb thumb specialist

11-05-2009 09:28 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE

MinAirUSA
rrAdvertiser
Location: Billings, Montana USA

My Posts This: Topic Forum

You will need to purchase from a retailer. Any retailer can order them from HeliWholesaler.

Miniature Aircraft USA

11-05-2009 09:36 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE

smallplanes
Key Veteran
Location: Timmonsville,S.C. ,USA

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Thats good it sounds like you guys are up and running again. Just start back on the aluminum grades theres a lot of people wanting them.

Thanks for a good product.

Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
2 Evo 50's
3 Trex 450's
Trex 700
Raptor50
12Z

11-05-2009 09:41 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

Malc1
Veteran
Location: EVESHAM,UK

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Is it not possible for us UK guys to order directly?
It would be a great help

Can you sort us out please?

11-05-2009 09:52 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

smallplanes
Key Veteran
Location: Timmonsville,S.C. ,USA

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Why do you UK guys want our US junk,i thought you would want that high end chinese junk? Buy you a Havoc Heli and you will have a top notch heli. haha just kidding guys.

Spectra G 26cc
Jewel
2 Evo 50's
3 Trex 450's
Trex 700
Raptor50
12Z

11-05-2009 09:57 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

Malc1
Veteran
Location: EVESHAM,UK

My Posts This: Topic Forum

I love my Spectra

Superb quality

Even so I have got a T Rex700,600N,600E and a T Rex500 and they are not bad for the money - you know the old `buy one and get one free` thing with the spares.

Thinking of getting another MA heli as well - maybe a new Fury50 anyway and sell one of the `Chinese`ones.

For now though I just wish we could get the MA parts easier.

11-05-2009 10:01 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE GALLERY

gramey
Senior Heliman
Location: United Kingdom

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Smallplanes we buy the far east heli's because we can get the parts for them easily over here. We buy the U.S 'junk' on the basis of not needing the spares due to the better quality. But when the quality isn't what you'd expect for the bucks you pay, remember what you pay in dollars we pay roughly the same in GB pounds, then you begin to question your decision. Your $1000 dollar kit costs $1650 dollars here so perhaps you can see where we're coming from when we're disappointed that for a few bucks extra these could be so much better.
Still hopefully if customer concerns are going to be addressed then things can only get better and we'll end up with a well sorted heli.

Dumb thumb specialist

11-05-2009 10:20 PM

PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE

Malc1
Veteran
Location: EVESHAM,UK

My Posts This: Topic Forum

Good point Graham

I remember the flybar issue when I first started to put my Spectra together - what a nightmare that was