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FlyingHigh450
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LOL you beat me to it,been looking for about 2 hrs now haha.I know theres one of someone inside a house and theres one with Alan Szabo Jr,im still looking .

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11-02-2009 12:39 PM
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FlyingHigh450
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LMFAO,I forgot how freaking funny this was.


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11-02-2009 12:47 PM
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bolkow
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I'd agree with aaron. I cant remember for how long I usede the training gear for initially some 4 years ago but I did use it again recently when doing some serious nose in work. It has to be in working order though.
11-02-2009 04:31 PM
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jim 73strat
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Just until I learnt to hover. Once I took it off my Heli flew so much better. Plus it's easy to handle on the ground. (no getting stuck in the shed door)

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11-04-2009 12:48 PM
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PaulGT3
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Location: Mammoth Lakes Ca

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I tried taking it off yesterday. But my actions were too nervous.
So I put it back on then flew my first flight using the WHOLE battery without landing. I am going to start working nose in today and keep it on.
thanks for all the help!!
11-04-2009 03:39 PM
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JasonJ
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all you have to do is smoothly lower the collective and gently let the heli down. And you are out of the trouble situation. Without doing anything to any other controls.

I have to very respectfully disagree. You are constantly flying the cyclic, and just lowering the collective when the helicopter is in an iffy situation can result in a debris field. I had some awesome awe inspiring crashes with training gear on. Training gear doesn't prevent the Pendullum Of Death when you are chasing the helicopter with overcorrections and eventually eating it.

My belief is, when you are up higher and use a bailout maneuver you are teaching yourself to save the helicopter. It is something you can always use. Lowering collective and landing when you get in trouble is something that you end up having to unlearn later on, so why bother getting in the habit in the first place? This whole thing comes from that RADDS way of learning to fly, scooting around on training gear, which was introduced before simulators became common place. I tried it briefly and it didn't work well for me. If you have the skill to overcome the ground effect that occurs from flying 2 inches off of the ground and can land gently, you have the skill to fly without the gear altogether.

If some want to learn with gear, that is fine, but it does reinforce bad habits and eventually you have to learn how to save the helicopter. Might as well just start from the beginning.
11-04-2009 04:58 PM
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PaulGT3
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I am amazed at the expertise of this board. I am taking it all in
and seeing how I can progress
thanks!!
11-04-2009 05:26 PM
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Melnic
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I"m not certain there's a right or wrong way (well, there are plenty of wrong ways" )

I learned nose in before I ever did any forward flight and I think I benefitted from it. That's what my mentor suggested. I try to land nose in as much as I can. Some people I've helped over the years NEVER did nose in and went right into forward flight. While moving forwards, they never had any problem with nose in. It's when they hovered that it was a problem. Spending lots of time on the sim will help but there's always an adjustment period when doing it w/ a real heli. I just find my vision of the heli's orientation is worse in real life than on the sim.

But you don't want to get stuck on anything either. If you feel your stuck on nose-in, work on something else. But I suggest before you get into forward flight, be confident you can bring it back and land.

Your gonna have to do what is comfortable to you!

Training gear IMO mostly benifits you when your flying low to the ground and you can drop the collective to land as a panic move. Most the time when I crashed early on or have seen students crash due to orientation mistakes, they were tilted so far over that training gear would not have helped anyway.

Flying low w/ training gear learning Nose-in is not always easy but at least spending some time on it (1 or 2 packs?) may be worth the time.

Check out Nose-in vid on this page. It was one of my current (well only) students who worked on nose in w/ training gear. See how much he was correcting. Of course he spend lots of time on the sim and on the sim he was pretty steady. All that downwash really affects him.
http://www.mycoolheli.com/HeliTraining.html
11-04-2009 09:53 PM
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Band1086
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Location: Kennewick, Wa. USA

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As soon as your getting annoyed with them. Just be careful, because it will feel different i.e. lighter and quicker.
11-04-2009 10:02 PM
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rcjon
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What's not been mentioned is previous R/C experience. A proficient plane, car, or even boat pilot will have a head start with the whole left is right / right is left thing and will, IMHO, progress quicker with nose-in flying and hovering, than those that start raw with a heli.

With a plane you don't get to learn to hover first and you can't reel it back in. If you don't fly nose-in, it's bye-bye airplane.

I had flown R/C planes a good bit and simmed the heli a lot. I tried training gear briefly. I hovered a little but went straight to forward flight and back to hover and landing tail in. I learned nose in without much trouble. My first wreck was trying a side hover. I thought it would be easy compared to nose-in.

It's like a metaphor.
11-04-2009 10:37 PM
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ShuRugal
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Been using my MSR to learn nose-in. Damn thing is indestructible, every time i dumb-thrumb it, i just pop the skids back on and its back in the air. Confidence factor +10

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