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mckrackin
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Then you're saying you know better than I do what type of flying is for me?

11-01-2009 05:44 AM

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mckrackin
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Fisherman?

11-01-2009 05:45 AM

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Aaron29
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you know better than I do what type of flying is for me?

You can do what you want. I'm just giving my 2 cents if you want to get better.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:46 AM

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Aaron29
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Fisherman?

LOL the fisherman maneuver: A guy is doing consecutive rolls or some stunt because he thinks he's a hot dog and gets nose in by accident. So he immediately stops what he is doing and has to spin the tail around and back the heli all the way in. Heart racing and sweating, as he reels her in.

He'd fix it if only he knew nose in. But the thought of more time hovering is repulsive.

When guys do it I want to go "BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP" but I keep my mouth shut.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:47 AM

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Aaron29
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If you want to fly the heli like an airplane forever, with a little inverted hovering, continue on your path.

If you want to fly it like the pros you're going to have to learn hovering in every orientation both upright and inverted.

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11-01-2009 05:48 AM

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Aaron29
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You can learn the orientations either before or after the obviousness of their necessity shows up. But it will hold you back. You'll get into a rut where new maneuvers are not naturally occurring.

Curtis eludes to it in his "3D" video. (It's old school VHS)

The info is everybit as valid today. As you do 3D, the heli is going to show you it's nose, it's side, it's top and it's bottom. Being able to orient the heli is big.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:51 AM

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mckrackin
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lol...Gotcha

I fly pretty well.I just don't hover nose in.
I can fly nose in.Just not hover.

I've only got about a year and a half experience but I've only started getting pretty good in the past Summer.

I learned everything I know without training gear or sitting in the driveway hovering for months.

Granted,I have about a dozen crashes to show but I've had a ball doing it.

My last few crashes are more from a lack of building experience than flying experience.But that remedies itself.lol....
Mechanical failures build builders.

11-01-2009 05:53 AM

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has to spin the tail around and back the heli all the way in. Heart racing and sweating When guys do it I want to go "BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP" but I usually keep my mouth shut

That made me laugh.

I'm never again gonna be able to watch someone (or even myself) back it in for a landing without a chuckle. And if the audience or pilot isn't likely to be offended, I'm gonna say BEEP BEEP BEEP while it happens.

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11-01-2009 05:55 AM

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Aaron29
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There is no maneuver where orientation is a problem for me. The difficulty now is the timing of inputs only. I know exactly what the stick movement is. It's the HOW much, and TIMING that is the only challenge now. I would not be where I'm at if I didn't go back and learn the orientation basics.

Timing and how much still makes it plenty hard. If you also have to consider which way to move the stick, learning won't happen.

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11-01-2009 05:56 AM

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mckrackin
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I work hovering on the sim.
I don't waste expensive batteries,long charge times or good weather on it though.

11-01-2009 05:59 AM

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PaulGT3
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Nose in and side in are you referring to the nose pointing AT ME. SIde is ins the side pointing at me?

11-01-2009 05:59 AM

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Aaron29
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Nose in: yes nose is pointing at you. It can be a little off axis and is actually easier if it is.

But pick a side to start with. Oddly, nose in with nose slightly pointing to your left is different than nose in with nose slightly pointing to your right. You have to learn each.

Side in is hard. The lateral attitude is difficult to see. The blade disk itself helps.

And left side facing you is completely different than right side facing you.

Learn 8 orientations, each 45 degree position.

Then learn it inverted (this without training gear :P)

-Aaron

11-01-2009 06:01 AM

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I work hovering on the sim. I don't waste expensive batteries,long charge times or good weather on it though.

Yes, the majority of your practice can be on the sim. And it's certainly cheaper.

HOWEVER.

You MUST take a certain amount of this to the actual deal. The nerves you feel when flying real aren't present on the sim and this can't be discounted.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 06:03 AM

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I've only got about a year and a half experience but I've only started getting pretty good in the past Summer.

i'm a crappy pilot in my own mind, because my flying partner is a good pilot and i can hover nose in all day. it's a necessity to even being able to say i'm a competent pilot. anyone can flip the sticks around on a sim. i'm just saying that nose in is a basic pilot skill, second only to tail in. these 2 orientations are piloting at it's most basic level. when you say you're getting pretty good in the last summer, that should at the bear minimum include nose in. why fight it. you can say it's your flying style but in the nitty gritty you're just ignoring the inevitable. my 2 cents is to just grow a pair and learn to nose in. if you are as confident in your abilities as you say then you'll learn it in no time. i learned it after 2 months. how long have you been flying?

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11-01-2009 06:14 AM

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I can hover nose in but must say I dont feel comfortable doing so, Im finding the inability to nose in proficiently(mainly inverted nose in more than upright) is only now starting to bring about some pretty scary moments, when things turn ugly in backward inverted flying, specialy when the tail lets go, it always ends up inverted and looking directly at me nose first.

I dont think you need nose in from the beggining, you can do flips and basic 3d stuff without it, I think you should be atleast able to hold nose in for a moment without panicing and crashing the heli, but you can get by without it for a while.

In the last couple of years, all the guys Ive seen starting up in RC helis seem to have done fine without training gear, so it is possible to do without training gear these days if youve atleast flown on sim a bit.

11-01-2009 06:14 AM

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Aaron29
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spitfire,

Work on it and eventually it'll be as natural as tail in hovering.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 06:25 AM

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but you can get by without it for a while.

You'll hit a rut. Eventually you'll want to break out of it.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 06:27 AM

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mckrackin
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my 2 cents is to just grow a pair and learn to nose in. if you are as confident in your abilities as you say then you'll learn it in no time. i learned it after 2 months. how long have you been flying?

I can tell you where to put your two cents.

I can hover nose in.Just not really well.Not comfortably for long periods but getting nose in while flying isn't a reason to panic.It just means it takes a second to think about it and the thought process gets faster every battery I fly.

I'm sick of people preaching about "The Only Way To Get Good".

11-01-2009 06:29 AM

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Aaron29
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Honestly, those preaching are, mostly, just trying to help.

Forgive me if I intruded. My response was about to be something snide along the lines of I'm sick of new guys' egos getting in the way of proper learning, but then I realized something...

This is a free nation and you are free to fly your heli as you wish. This is a hobby, and as such, only thing you NEED to get out of it is a good time. As long as you are having a good time, some of us need to back off.

mckrakin, It sounds like you have some good basics and probably fly safely. I respect that. It also sounds like you work on the sim a good deal. That won't be wasted effort.

I can totally see getting proficient at the orientations on the sim and then just playing with the real deal. That's responsible and you should still advance.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 06:47 AM

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mckrackin
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I didn't mean that reply as rude as it reads.
I have always had a problem with sounding rude online when I don't mean to be.lol...

I just mean that all the 3D guys just think you aren't doing anything worth doing if your not banging the sticks for four minutes straight.

I just enjoy flying but hovering battery after battery is just too tedious for me.
The orientations are coming while I fly.

11-01-2009 06:57 AM

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