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PaulGT3
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Location: Mammoth Lakes Ca

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I have flown my Beam like 15 times now without a crash. When do I take off the training gear? Its starting to be a liability. The ping pong balls slides up the rod and that rod can now stick in the grass and flip the chopper over. I think i can fly it now but I was just wondering what others did.

11-01-2009 03:41 AM

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rcjon
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Location: Macon, GA

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Its starting to be a liability.

There's your answer.

It's like a metaphor.

11-01-2009 03:45 AM

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GimbalFan
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Its starting to be a liability.

You may have answered you own question there.

EDIT -- Ditto.

Training gear certainly has its place, especially for safety, but with the great sims we have these days I see fewer TG setups at the fields.

A good sim is like training gear but a lot more fun.

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11-01-2009 03:46 AM

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Aaron29
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The liability is not the training gear. The liability is the DEFECTIVE training gear.

Buy new training gear or correctly repair your defective one. You'll need it for learning nose in and side in hovering.

It is amazing how difficult side on hovering is when you first try it. The same thing goes for nose in. It's like starting over. If you haven't learned left side in, right side in, and nose in, you're going to want training gear.

Just not the training gear you have right now.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 04:20 AM

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Aaron29
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If you already know nose in, left side in, and right side in, you're good to pull the training gear off.

I'll insert my training gear take from recent posts here when I get unlazy.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 04:23 AM

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PaulGT3
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Thanks Aaron Nose in and those other things you are talking about are beyond my skill level. I can hover go out and come back backward. I can move side to side. I cant come back nose in. Or I will mess up.

11-01-2009 04:44 AM

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Aaron29
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OK, then I' get new training gear or fix yours so it's not a liability.

What you've got will cause the heli to basically pole vault itself into the ground.

P.S. if that happens please get video

-Aaron

11-01-2009 04:56 AM

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mckrackin
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Personally,I think if you can hover tail in,move side to side and back and forth,,,,and can land every time without a crash....lose the training wheels.

The heli will be easier to fly and handle better without the bouncey balls.

11-01-2009 05:10 AM

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Aaron29
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LOL I'm not going to go down this road again.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:12 AM

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mckrackin
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What's that supposed to mean?

11-01-2009 05:17 AM

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Aaron29
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I'm trying to find the long thread about training gear. But I can't.

Maybe it's been deleted.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:20 AM

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Aaron29
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Found it. It's not in my post history but I found the thread during a search. Strange.

Here's a relevant post from it.

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With training gear, don't hover higher than 12 inches. Training gear can't help you if you get messed up 3 feet up. It is effective when scooting about the grass, dragging under a foot off the ground.

Many insist on going without gear, high up. But if the heli gets out of level that high up it can end up crashing a LONG way away from its original position during recovery efforts. Hopefully not into any people/property.

And up high it has a LONG way to come down and can build up lots of speed to crunch the earth with.

With the training gear it pretty much stops wherever it is when you pull collective. You are far less likely to hurt the heli, yourself, anyone else, or any property.

If you insist on doing it high, I recommend you remember to spin the tail toward you again if you panic. Familiar orientations are the key to "saving it." But you might end up crashing during this, too. Up high is not as easy, safe, reliable, and repeatable as the training gear.

I have no idea why people don't like training gear. They worry about image, mostly, I guess. Like motorcycling without a helmet.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:22 AM

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mckrackin
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It's got nothing to do with image.That's absurd.
It's just easier to control without it.

I used the training wheels for about 5 batteries and then did away with it.
It's like casting off an anchor when you DX it.

11-01-2009 05:27 AM

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Aaron29
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Here's the thread. It was about nose in hovering and my take on the use of training gear. I come in in the middle of page 2.

http://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t...?top=1257053148

It's an unpopular take for some reason.

I'm also of the mindset that you should learn ALL hovering orientations before going into forward flight.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:27 AM

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Aaron29
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I'll link my reasons why I believe this.

It's relevant to this thread. The OP's asking how long with training gear.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:35 AM

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Aaron29
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But again, I implore you. Learn EVERY orientation before starting forward flight, even little innocent figure 8s. Learn Nose in, tail in, left side in, right side in. These orientations are not easy, and you WILL be seeing them as you perform the figure 8's so you better be good at them before you do the figure 8s.

It never ceases to amaze me how early a lot of guys want to do FF and shouldn't be. Hence the imploring so you don't walk down their path. You can tell who they are. They will be flying around and suddenly get disoriented. So they spin the tail so it's facing them. And back the heli up all the way back. Like a fisherman. When I see it I know exactly what happened. Got messed up when he was looking at the side or nose of the heli and got confused. Only know tail in so they can only do tail in. It seems obvious but it is still ignored by many.

The discussion on this starts almost all the way down. Again I defend my position. I'm not sure why my ideas are unpopular, despite my detailing the reasons.

There are people doing loops who can't nose in out there.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:41 AM

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mckrackin
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I still haven't mastered hovering in all orientations and I've been out flying for over a year.
FFF,loops,rolls,flips,inverted hovering.I can do all that but still can't keep a good steady nose in hover.

Are you suggesting that I should have spent the last year standing in my driveway watching the training gear bounce up and down?
And that I still shouldn't be allowed to just go out and fly?

11-01-2009 05:42 AM

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mckrackin
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I was doing back flips before I could even get a stable tail in hover.

11-01-2009 05:43 AM

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Aaron29
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Are you suggesting that I should have spent the last year standing in my driveway watching the training gear bounce up and down? And that I still shouldn't be allowed to just go out and fly?

Nope. I'm suggesting that had you spent the time to learn nose in you'd be doing more than just FFF and basic aero right now.

It would not have taken a year to learn the orientations.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:43 AM

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Aaron29
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I was doing back flips before I could even get a stable tail in hover.

I see airplane guys at my field loop and roll and then come in for a crash landing in zero wind.

It's not impressive.

I should ask if you think doing a loop and then doing the "fisherman" maneuver would look any different.

This is a hobby. If you want to jump in the water without water wings that's fine. I'm just saying what I believe to be the best way.

Sooner or later a lack of ability to nose in will hold you back.

-Aaron

11-01-2009 05:44 AM

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