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Band1086
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Location: Kennewick, Wa. USA

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For not much more than a 450 you could get a 600E. With Zippy's and a 401 it would be much more stable and easier to learn to fly than the little helis...
11-07-2009 03:28 AM
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Dagigalo
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Location: Buffalo IA. USA

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Screw it buy what you want that way youll be happy. Just reserch it and see if it is any good or not. If a Blade 400 is what you can afford than get it and be proud of it. The T-rex is better but its your heli. When I was starting I would have bean happy with a blade 400. Itll defintly get you started.

Gravity SUCKS!!!!!
11-12-2009 03:00 AM
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PaulGT3
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Location: Mammoth Lakes Ca

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I HAVE a beam E4 and a Protos 500. I want to move up in size.
I JUST figured out what was wrong with the Protos so It will be
flying tomorrow I hope. The beam has been flying for 2 weeks.
it was 2 weeks ago I lifted off and landed without crashing.
that was the breakthrough point for me. Now I want the bigger
ones to fly.
11-12-2009 03:17 AM
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dwight2k
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Location: Enterprise, Alabama

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Still think you should go with the T-rex. For the price of a new Blade 400 you can check the classifieds on Runryder, RC universe or Helifreak to find an ARF or a RTF Trex 450.

LET'S PLAY WHO CAN LAND ON THE SIDE
11-12-2009 08:30 AM
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FlyingHigh450
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Location: Macomb,Mi

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Trex 600N/hyper 50/MP5, Revmax,Spartan DS760/JR DS8900G,3 Align DS610's.
11-12-2009 11:14 PM
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PaulGT3
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I have a sim and fly the biggest birds I can on there. Real Flight.
11-13-2009 12:44 AM
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Aaron29
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Location: Bossier City, LA

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If anyone knows me they know my take on small "beginner" helis.

Buy the biggest heli you can afford. Even if it means going used.

Learning on a small heli is more difficult. The only reason 450s are called "beginner" helis is because of their price. In reality, they are far more difficult to learn to fly on as they are less stable, overall. They simply get sold as "beginner" helis because they are less expensive overall.

If you are pretty certain you want to stay in the hobby, you will soon want something larger.

I started on a 30, personally. But, I would recommend a 50 size nitro or 600 size electric. They are the perfect learner birds with more room to grow with. Again, I recommend a 50 even if it means going used.

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-Aaron
11-15-2009 01:55 AM
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fla heli boy
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Location: cape coral, florida

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listen to Aaron....

"go with God son......and a bag full of guns"
11-15-2009 02:36 AM
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PaulGT3
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Location: Mammoth Lakes Ca

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I would go with a UH-1 and get an ex marine to give you as much training as you can get.

Really I dont think it matters if you get the sim.
I just started clicking on the Beam and now I cant
get my protos going. I got the Belt CP going and I can
fly that one too, just cant get the protos going.
Now that I have minimal skill as opposed to no skill
I should buy a bigger one and get going
11-15-2009 03:11 AM
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Aaron29
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Location: Bossier City, LA

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Soon, you'll want all the things a bigger heli offers:

1. Weight. To carry it through maneuvers while still maintaining high agility.

2. Autorotation performance. A 450 is BARELY able to do an auto. A 90 can land and then hop afterward. This is important to allow slight mistakes in flare timing. The 450 will not tolerate a mistake.

3. Stability/tracking. A larger heli goes where you point it and for the most part doesn't try to "do it's own thing." A 450 has a mind of its own, by comparison. Predictability is important for any type of flying, even 3D.

4. Size. When learning maneuvers, you want altitude. You can get a larger heli up high and still see it. You can get it further out without losing sight of the heli's orientation.

5. Presence. Audiences love a big heli with nice motor/engine noise and loud blade fart. You and I may like your 450 just fine, but it won't stop others' comments about it being a toy.

One exception to buying big: I personally like a tiny COAX heli for indoor only use. They fly very well inside and can teach basic upright orientations. Just don't take them outside or stunt them. (If you ever want to stunt, you'll have to buy another heli. So there we go again.)

Another reason to buy small is for price. Buy the biggest heli, even used, that you can afford to fly, crash, and fuel. If that's a 450, sweet!

Another 450 reason - you can fly it just about anywhere.

Don't just look at acquisition cost. Make sure operating/crash costs gets into your planning. Some guys buy a heli because it's 50 bucks cheaper but then get hosed on the crash costs. Crash/operating costs vary and there's a lot of good info here at RR.

Another reason to buy small is if you aren't sure if you are staying in the hobby. You won't be as committed having spent less. (I would argue, however, that starting with a more committed heli will keep you in the hobby longer.)

But if you are reasonably sure that you LOVE the sim, love the hobby, can afford the hobby, and are going to be here a long time, Go Big.

That said, if you still go the 450, it's better than nothing. It may give you a little grief with its flying characteristics. But at least you'll be in RC.

-Aaron
11-15-2009 03:26 AM
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FlyingHigh450
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fla heli boy listen to Aaron....
I edited my post for you guys..

Trex 600N/hyper 50/MP5, Revmax,Spartan DS760/JR DS8900G,3 Align DS610's.
11-15-2009 08:36 AM
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PaulGT3
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Location: Mammoth Lakes Ca

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I MUST love the hobby! i bought 7 helos before I EVER got one off the ground!! Well thats not true, I got them off the ground, ok I just had problems getting them back to the ground and then picking up the pieces. Actually now that I discovered hobbyking, the 450 parts are dirt cheap.
Which is good cause most of my parts are in the dirt.
I was building and flying for 1.5 years before I was able to depart the earth and return and then depart again.
11-15-2009 05:57 PM
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infidel
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Location: king, NC-USA

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You'll find that if you practice alot on a sim you won't be buying many parts.
11-15-2009 11:08 PM
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Band1086
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Location: Kennewick, Wa. USA

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If you can transfer your sim skills to the real thing. I've seen some that can pretty easily do it, and some that have a lot harder time of it...
11-21-2009 06:02 AM
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PaulGT3
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Location: Mammoth Lakes Ca

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I can take off every time on the sim no training gear.
I can fly all my helos now in real life WITH training gear.
I have my belt CP dialed in NUTS and I tried flying with out
training gear and crashed. I think it was because I have
several different batt packs and I didnt account for CG.
With training gear I get an idea of CG before the thing takes
off. But the margin for error is less with out Training gear
and I just didnt have the thing trimmed out right. I have 4
bat pack for the 450's I have (belt CP and the Beam E4) and
there are 3 are different sizes and weights. two of them
are the same. So its all a learning process.
11-21-2009 06:47 AM
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Band1086
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I still think, if you can afford it, a TR600ESP would be super stable for you. But if your having trouble, you should elicit a more experienced pilots help. He could get it trimmed for you and make sure it's hovering stably before you actually try to hover it.
11-21-2009 06:53 AM
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nwcudaman
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Location: Boring Oregon

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Good points everyone

Everyone has justified points. And hey, as we are all throwing our thoughts out there, here is mine.

Falcon...may as well throw your money in the dumpster.

Blade 400. Nice starter bird, parts and complete birds are CHEAP. The bad side to them, don't even bother to fly a stock one. Get one with good servos, tail servo, and a good gyro. THEN, they will fly. Another thing is a bec for it with the new servos as the stock 25 amp ESC sucks when your drawing the power of good servos and gyro. Can you say Thermal shutdown?....yeah...been there done that. But once you have all this, they are a great bird.

Now,,we get to the Trex 450. you asked about diffrent versions. you can pick up a V1 or SE for really cheap. Even some great deals on the V2's. All and all they all pretty much fly the same. They are great helis. Add some Pro Woods and your set. If you buy a used one that has a bunch of parts and good servos with it, your in!!
As far as preformance goes, the V2 will stuff a blade 400 in the dirt period. I'm pretty picky on my setups and my V2 can go stick off in a nice hover calm day for over 10-15 sec with no adjustments. She also holds solid inverted.
So, while your learning, my vote goes to a Trex 450. It's a great bird to learn along with your Sim. But one key here is like others said. Find someone local to hang with and fly with. It really helps man. I for one am glad I started with the 450 class. I saved a bunch of money doing that learning. While the bigger birds give you a more stable platform to fly on, your also paying $60.00 + for blades alone!!, 450 Pro woods are $13.00...do the math. Not to mention that your reflexes with the 450 will train you to be good, fast, and think ahead. What this does for you is transition into a larger heli with more confidence when you have the big bucks in the air.
Now,,if your loaded,,then go ahead and buy a big ole bird. Just make sure you got lots of dough. Average cost on a light stuffin on a 600 is about $150+ and that's being nice..Not to mention the cost of batteries. You can get a fist full of 3 cell packs for cheap. That means more flying time for you dude.
11-22-2009 01:16 AM
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sonnyhad
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Location: Holland,Mi

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I wish i never bought a 450 first! I have paid dearly for 600 blades over the past year, but a guy can get cheap 600 blades as well for learning. Parts on a trex 600 are only a couple of dollars more than for a 450. 2 tail booms 12.99 for a 600, 9.00 for 450.
People become discouraged learning on a 450 and give up. They are pretty darned fast and can get away in a hurry. When you buy a 600 or 50 sized machine, you won't have to change heli's to go fly on a windy day. Yes they are more expensive to repair but, in my humble opinion, well worth it. I could have saved myself a lot of money if I would have been more patient! And just fly hover for a long time before trying forward flight. Practice on the Sim, Sim practice, and then some more!!

Well, there's my 2 cents!!

The sky is my friend, the ground is my enemy!Now I have to add Trees, to my enemy list!!! Dammit!!!
11-22-2009 03:58 AM
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PaulGT3
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Location: Mammoth Lakes Ca

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Sony I agree the 450 class wasnt the best to learn on.
Here is what I have
Belt CP 450 class
Beam E4 450 class
the protos 500.

I think the 600- 90 nitro is where I want to go next.

I can now fly both the Belt CP and the Beam all day hovering.
The protos is under repair and awaiting parts.

sorta what NWCUDAMAN said, I first bought a falcon piece of junk.
never flew it. Well i did then it crashed.

I shouldnt have bought the Belt CP (fully upgraded) BUT I feel safe on that bird doing all the adjustments myself. I am not afraid to make an adjustment on that one and then test fly it. Plus its really dialed in and that helps me dial in and check the other two birds

I am getting that way with the Beam too.

The Protos just needs to get fixed. I spent alot of time chasing my tail on that one and it turned out to be NON updated parts. There were parts weak in design and I didnt know it and they had been upgraded. I didnt get those parts in my kit. So now I am finishing that up

Also I have a mentor, one of the best pilots in the world and contributer to RCHeli mag on the Scale birds. I just get tired of
bothering him, and I am trying to do more and more on my own.

thanks for all the thoughts and pointers.
11-22-2009 04:32 AM
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MAXHSHV
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Location: deerriver,mn usa

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I agree bigger is easier , has anybody mentioned a swift,super cheap, durable bigger so easier to fly and fully capable of full on 3D if setup correctly.

To much power is never enough.
11-22-2009 05:06 AM
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