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SSN Pru
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Most of the time you don't have to ask them anything they just butt their 2cents worth of stupidity in as you have already seen.

That statement was profoundly ironic.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!
11-03-2009 12:29 PM
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alfred
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Stet

You had one experience on which you base your comments...fair enough.
While others didn't have your problem.
In over 25 years, I haven't had one explode yet.
I have seen helies explode in mid-air, where the pilot then turns around with this total none understanding and surprise on their face.

Sh!t happens and can't always be explained.

At least your comment is valid to your own experience, while mine is the opposite, we at least have used/are using this method.
So all I can say, over 25 years and having done it hundreds of times with all sizes of helies (at least up to 90's) and never ever had a problem.
If it would happen tomorrow would that change my mind?? No.... because one singular incident out of hundreds would not make this a "likely" event, but rather an out of the norm coincidence.

I have seen enough helies explode in midair for no apparent reason, i.e just flying around and not adding huge forces on the mechanics as you often see in 3D.

If we decide that it's all too dangerous, then we might as well give up the hobby, because "nobody" can guarantee you that nothing will ever happen.
The same applies here, assuming some common sense is used we can minimise the possibility of an incident and that's all we can do in this hobby anyway.
11-03-2009 07:59 PM
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Imafanz
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Once is all said and done.

Here's a suggestion that I think would settle this once and for all.
Proof.

All arguments for or against aside let's ask NZ_Nitro, as he started this, to prove his case. NZ_Nitro, you are obviously obsessed with with this particular product being dangerous and want it removed from the market. Produce suitable evidence to substantiate your claims to make this a valid request. It appears you are sufficiently motivated to create a thread, nay, many threads, to wind people up about it so one must assume you are prepared to put the hard work in to prove your case. If not, you are simply blowing hot wind.

The putting forward of technical figures, as you have, sounds fantastic and those figures are pretty close to correct BUT, they are for centrifugal force on the rotor head and have no immediate relevance to your claims.

Produce statistical proof that this product is dangerous. i.e numbers of failures that can be attributed to the failure of the mechanics, what ever that might be, from being tethered against all other failures for any other reasons. Injury statistics, Engineering reports on the skids including screw holdings, failure points including skid/frame materials and all other parts of an RC helicopter that may be affected buy using this product. Build one, test it, make your own observations and note them. I'll even sell you one of mine at a reduced price so you can test the actual product you are campaigning against.

This has to be done in comparison with all other instances of failures and injuries with RC helicopters to be able to asses the risk of this particular product and use against anything else, even RC helicopters themselves. All these instances have to also be fully documented so that cause and effect for each instance can be identified.

To continue spouting hearsay, one off occurrences, personal opinions, beliefs and irrelevant figures doesn't sway me one bit. Do not accept so called 'experts' opinions as 'experts' can be wrong just as much as anyone else. Remember 'experts' once claimed the world was flat, they also claimed that the human body fell apart at 30mph when cars were first introduced to the market. Collect all the relevant information then come back and show us.

If you are not prepared to do this then your arguments mean nothing, your mission is flawed and it all doesn't mean as much to you as you claim.

If this product and it's operation is as you claim it should not be as hard as it sounds as all the information should be available now.
I mean these have been used for many many years in one form or another. If this information is not available then one has to ask, why not? if it is so dangerous surely this information should be available by now.

If you can prove your case with all the relevant information, fair enough and I WILL remove the product from the market but if you can't/won't or the information shows you are wrong then the heading for this thread can be effected and an apology given, should you be man enough.

Are you up to it or is it not as important to you as you claim?
Are you speaking truth or are you blowing hot air?

This is you chance to do this properly and do what you claim you are trying to do, protect all those newbies and every other RC helicopter enthusiasts from injury.

This will also enable everyone else to see that you are serious and not just stirring the pot or trying to effect a personal vendetta against me for some obscure reason. It will also enable others to make an informed decision.

So there we go, if you are serious it should be a challenge you will gladly meet head on. If not then one has to ask why you have started these threads in the first place and why you are making claims you really have no proof of other that personal opinion.

I would like to think you will take it up as starting one thread can be accepted but if you don't take up this challenge then by starting threads on all the major RC forums including butting into non related threads to incite movement against me and the product simply shows a a very vindictive person and a very nasty nature.

Up to you bud, here's your chance.

Phil,
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11-03-2009 10:33 PM
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Brokenlink
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Answer to above= NOPE he can't.
He probably never has tried it and can't say for a fact that it is dangerous.

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards
11-03-2009 11:37 PM
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Imafanz
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Time will tell.

It's fair enough I think to give NZ_Nitro the opportunity to do this properly. If he proves his case I have no qualms about removing the product from the market. I believe it to be a very good product otherwise I wouldn't use it myself let alone attempt to sell it.
I've been modeling for 44 years or so so have a little bit of knowledge behind what I'm doing. I also have a conscience which in todays world seems to be a disadvantage but one I can live with.

I'm not 'known' which is probably detriment to this situation but that is because I don't normally associate with clubs simply because of this sort of situation and the people that create them who seem to be a big part of club life. I'm a strong believer that everyone takes responsibility for them selves but the trend today seems to be blame someone, or something else, or make up a myriad of rules to try and protect others from idiots which ends up with it all being no fun at all. Most of our laws today are simply that but we just keep breading bigger idiots....lol

I've made it as strong and as safe as I can which is all I can do. How it is used by the operator I have no control of. I mean, let's face it, if someone is operating an RC helicopter with no knowledge or without common sense it is basically a lethal weapon and is quite capable of killing someone without the help of a test stand. As was stated, if this is that dangerous then maybe RC helicopters should be removed from the market, and planes, and fast boats, and rockets, and...damn, I've got nothing to play with now!

He hasn't conducted himself well to date. He's taken the opportunity to start threads all over the place, put my emails to him on the threads, he's blocked me by the way which seems to be his mode of operation, make nasty comments then block the possibility of a rebuttal.

I haven't put his emails to me online as I consider it bad form but if he starts getting silly again I may just consider it. They are not pretty. I have contacted his ISP but their action from that is at their discretion. If they consider his actions to be out of order he can hardly blame me. He considers my action uncalled for yet doing what he is doing is appropriate....go figure.

Anyway, the gauntlet has been put down, let's see how he handles it.
We are either going to get some really good and useful information or a continuation of unsubstantiated dribble.

I wait with anticipation.
11-04-2009 12:37 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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I dont want or need one of your stands

What I have stated is correct and it is common knowlege that you dont tie down rc helis, I sincerely hope nobody gets hurt with your contraption
11-05-2009 01:55 AM
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