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mike_mill
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Location: Latrobe,pa,usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		How much vibration is to much when I am flying my spectra it seems like there is a lot of vibration more than my nitro but I don't know if this is normal It seem like it fly s fine. But recently I have been finding loose bolt here and there. I am worried about the head block it has been in two crashes but I am not sure how to make sure it is true.
10-26-2009 08:29 PM
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helicenter
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Location: Winter Haven Fl.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		vibration

I have seen this before, find the problem before you loose a bolt and crash.(like on a bellcrank)

Doug

10-26-2009 08:32 PM
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SeismicCWave
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Location: Hilo, Hawaii

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		>>How much vibration is to much when I am flying my spectra it seems like there is a lot of vibration more than my nitro but I don't know if this is normal It seem like it fly s fine.<<

A gas engine really should not vibration much more than a glow fuel engine. The only exception is that the gas engine has a flywheel and usually is larger in displacement.

However you can have some one like B H Hanson balance the gas engine so vibration is minimal.
10-26-2009 09:57 PM
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helicenter
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		vibration

what I use to gauge a vibration level is a Deans antenna mounted vertical with a 45 degree bend,also the fuel in the tank must be still, this can be done with a gas machine.

Doug

10-26-2009 11:20 PM
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SeismicCWave
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		>> fuel in the tank must be still<<

That's a great way to know what kind of vibration it is. Fuel foaming is mostly high frequency vibrations from the engine.

>>Deans antenna mounted vertical with a 45 degree bend<<

That's a good indication of low frequency vibrations from the rotor head/flybar.
10-26-2009 11:28 PM
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Excalibur
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Also, watch for a blurred vertical or horizontal fin, or one landing skid while in a hover.

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10-27-2009 05:33 AM
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SeismicCWave
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Location: Hilo, Hawaii

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		>>Also, watch for a blurred vertical or horizontal fin<<

Yup, blurred vertical is most likely the tail rotor setup out of balance. Blurred horizontal can be a combination of both the tail and the main.

>>one landing skid while in a hover.<<

One landing skid vibrating is a combination of main rotor head out of balance, bad main bearings and/or soft main frame.
10-27-2009 05:52 AM
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mike_mill
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Location: Latrobe,pa,usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I put my main shaft with the head block in my lathe and turned it with a test indicator on the bolt for the head button there was .015 of run out. I just opinions want some opinions.
10-28-2009 01:06 AM
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SeismicCWave
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I throw them out when they reach .004".
10-28-2009 01:08 AM
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helicenter
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		shaft

replace it with new

Doug
10-28-2009 03:09 AM
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Excalibur
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		WOW! 0.015 runout is garbage. Replace with new.

Xcal

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10-28-2009 05:35 AM
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AceBird
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I put my main shaft with the head block in my lathe and turned it with a test indicator on the bolt for the head button there was .015 of run out.

You are better off not indicating on the head of a bolt. They don’t run true to the threads. Is there any reason why you cannot indicate on the shaft itself? Although mounting the shaft in the lathe true to start with is the most difficult task. Usually rolling the shaft down a glass plate gives the best indication if the shaft is bent. Once you know you have a true shaft then I would indicate the head block on the shaft to see if it is square.

Ace
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10-28-2009 05:40 PM
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mike_mill
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Location: Latrobe,pa,usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		never thought of that i check the main shaft and it was only .002
10-30-2009 04:58 AM
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AceBird
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I thought so. Even still .002 doesn't sound like much but a .002 bend in the shaft will create a vibration. I would roll that shaft down a plate of glass so you have a comparison between a new shaft (assumed to be straight) and this one. You can detect a .002 whoopy easily rolling it on plate glass.

Ace
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10-30-2009 12:39 PM
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mike_mill
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Location: Latrobe,pa,usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		the .002 is a new shaft.
10-31-2009 05:07 AM
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AceBird
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the .002 is a new shaft.

That might be your setup in the lathe. Suspend the shaft between two V blocks at each end and rotate it with your fingers to indicate concentricity. Make sure there are no dings on the shaft where the ends rests on the V blocks. You can check several points on the shaft this way and avoid any inaccuracies of holding the shaft true.

Ace
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10-31-2009 02:43 PM
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GyroFreak
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Dang, I was just posting about lathe setup errors when Acebird beat me to it.

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10-31-2009 03:46 PM
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AceBird
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Doesn't matter who makes the post GyroFreak as long as he gets the correct information.

Ace
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11-01-2009 01:48 PM
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mike_mill
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		thanks for all the info guys.
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