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ElyQ Vision 50 > Ultimate one way bearing not grabbing.
 
 
Richardmid1
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Location: Leeds, England

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Anyone else had this? Ive heard of peoples oneways locking up but im having the opposite problem in that its not grabbing, its been getting gradually worse. Ive tried degeasing it completely and using a lighter oil which works for a few flights but then it slips again! Heli hasn't even had that many flights!

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10-26-2009 03:54 PM
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jschenck
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Location: La Vista, NE.

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Does it slip in flight? Only time I've had that happen is when some dirt was in there.

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..
10-26-2009 06:53 PM
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Alexm0324
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Location: Atlanta, Georgia USA

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One way

I have the same issue. I thought I didn't have the clutch seated properly at first, but it only catches about 1/3rd of the time now. I have regreased it at least 2x and it still does the same thing.
10-26-2009 09:08 PM
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Alexm0324
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one way

I am referring to the one way in the clutch.
10-26-2009 09:10 PM
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jschenck
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for the one-way in the clutch try putting a drop of light oil on it, ATF works good for me. You want to be sure and not put in too much, don't want it spraying out into the clutch liner area.

For the main sprag slip have you tried maybe a slightly heavier oil like an ATF or tri-flow?

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..
10-26-2009 09:41 PM
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oragami
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Location: Florida

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Yes, The ATF thing works well. But first clean it out thoroughly with Alcohol. Get is perfectly clean, then soak a little ATF on it. Wipe it off and give it a try. This got mine pulling right away.

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Craig
10-28-2009 02:40 AM
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Richardmid1
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Ive cleaned it out with Meths and used some light suspension fork oil and its working fine now.

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10-28-2009 11:36 AM
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oragami
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Location: Florida

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That is Great. I am glad to see you got her up and running.

One more thing on the clutch stack to look out for. The Lower Bearing Block. I have found that there is not sufficient loc tite on this bearing, and in a short amount of time it will loosen. If this bearing gets loose in the block it will make the driver spin un true, and will cause the one way to go out prematurely. Also it will eventually make noise when trying to start.

Hope this helps

Craig
10-28-2009 01:43 PM
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deli
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Location: Devizes, Wiltshire, england uk

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replaced clutch and starter shaft!!

I had to buy a new clutch and starter shaft cos mine jammed upsolid. When i hammered the shaft out of the clutch two of the bearings fell out. Got new shaft and clutch lined it all up so the shaft span freely. It was good for one flight and on the 2nd start up i started to hear a grindy noise intermittently and the hex cup seemed to be grabbing. Am I gonna lose this clutch too? Will strip it down again today to see whats going on. The clutch engaged ok though. i am stumped
11-08-2009 10:49 AM
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oragami
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Location: Florida

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I think this is a good time to bring up a subject called "alignment".

One of the nice features on this helicopter is the ablility to change the gear ratio, or just set your mesh, If necessary. But if you do not Align the engine and the clutch stack, it will ruin the One way, and the driver, also puting stress on the Bearings, unevenely.

I leave my motor,and clutch blocks loose. Then I take my starter and crank it over for a few seconds. Then I have a look at it. You can tell just by looking at your alignment if it is good or not. Then I push the motor up into the clutch all the way, and do it all again.

Then I first lightly tighten the motor in the frames, just lightly. Then I go to the blocks. The one most important thing you want to do is to make sure your upper and lower blocks are in line. I usually pull two screws upper and lower and look at where the holes are, then again take a look at your overall alignment. I do the starter trick again, and then start to re tighten the the blocks and motor carefully, watching to make sure nothing is moving.

You can instantly tell when everything is in line. It will crank over smooth, and have hardly any head movement.

Hope this helps

Craig
11-09-2009 02:05 PM
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jschenck
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Actually that's a pretty good thing to do even in fixed bearing/engine mount frames such as the Ultimate and Raptors. Run the starter for a few seconds and check the starter shaft 'smoothness' as you tighten down the engine mount. Even though the bearings and engine mount are in a fixed position there is still some play and it can mean the difference between a smooth starter shaft or a slightly off shaft alignment.

.. P-gas, T700, V50c/u, R50T, T4/250 and a Cricket ..
11-09-2009 02:26 PM
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deli
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Location: Devizes, Wiltshire, england uk

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Ok am going to buy a new clutch and startershaft. Will have another go at the end of the week when the parts arrive. Hopefully this time i will get it right. Clutch and shaft aside the heli flies like a dream much better than me old raptor 30. Just got me a bit frustrated.
Thanks for your help on this matter. Will keep u updated.
11-09-2009 08:46 PM
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oragami
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Location: Florida

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Please give us an update as soon as you get back in the Air.

Thanks

Craig
11-11-2009 01:24 AM
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deli
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Will do guys thx for ur help
11-12-2009 08:34 PM
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