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Ale_rozzi
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Location: La Plata, Buenos Aires - Argentina

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Hi, I recently bought a Colco GY 400 AVCS rate gyro, I fixed it on my new Trex 450, and I have installed Walkera 6 Ch radio system, with a 6ch (RX 2603 receiver) please can you guide me on how to wire the gyro and how to tune up sensitivy and extent? My radio does not have a AVCS/normal switch.

When iniatialize the horn moves to one side, so I dont have enough travel on this side. note that if I descend extent value trim the servo horn return to neutral center position,



Your comments will be very very appreciatted.
10-26-2009 02:18 PM
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Spitfire1
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Location: Perth Australia

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Theres too much to explain in a post, try doing a search for 401 setup.

You need to put the gyro servo wire into rudder, and the gain wire into gear channel on you receiver, then you use the gear switch to turn the hh on or off and on the travel adjust screen for gear to adjust the gain.

If you power it up and the light is flashing it means its not in HH, change the gear switch and re power it up.

Dont use any rudder trim in any mode or it will turn it off HH.
10-27-2009 03:25 AM
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dkshema
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Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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That gyro is a poor counterfeit of the Futaba GY401. The manual

http://www.heliguy.com/i/gy400.pdf is also pretty much a cut-and-paste job from the Futaba GY401 manual. So much of a cut-and-paste that they tell you to write to Futaba if you find the manual in error, or if you have questions:



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Reading reviews of this gyro on the web indicates that the best use for this gyro is as filler in the local garbage dump.

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But, if you must use it, the gyro has three leads.

One three-wire plug that goes into channel 4 of your receiver.
One one-wire plug that goes into channel 5 of your receiver.
One three-wire plug that goes to the rudder servo.

You'll use the channel 5 switch on your Transmitter to control the gain (I hope your transmitter has a switch for channel 5, it's usually the retractable landing gear switch).

One position will select heading hold mode for the gyro. At power-up the red LED on the gyro will come on and stay on after initialization if you started it up in HH mode (and that is a requirement to do so).

The other position of the switch will select normal/rate mode. You must NOT initialize the gyro in normal mode, if you do, it won't be happy and won't work well. (In the case of the Colco GY400, not working well seems to be a way of life).

Start up in HH mode, then switch to normal mode. The servo should follow the sticks and return to neutral in rate mode. Set the LIMIT adjustment to 100% on the gyro. Adjust the distance of the ball link on the TR servo to the center of the TR servo shaft so that with the gyro LIMIT set to 100%, you get AT LEAST +/- 45 degrees of servo movement for full side to side stick deflection, without binding the tail rotor pitch slider mechanism. Mount the ball link at that distance from center. Fine tune the LIMIT setting so that you don't bind the servo/pitch slider at full left or right stick.

Remember to always start the gyro up in HH mode. Once initialized in HH mode, you can use the gear channel switch to go back and forth between HH and normal/rate mode. Do NOT move the rudder trim tab on the TX after the gyro is initialized in HH mode. To do so will confuse it, and it won't work well.

If you're using the gear channel in your TX, one position will set the gain for HH mode, the other position will set the gain for normal/rate mode.

Make sure you have the rudder channel direction in the transmitter set correctly for your heli, and that you have the gyro direction on the gyro body set correclty before flying. BOTH must be set to control in the proper direction for you to have success.

This ought to get you going. If you need additional help, ask.

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10-27-2009 04:32 AM
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shizack
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Location: Aiken, SC USA

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I had 2 of those gyros and they were both worthless. Each one exhibited the same problem - they would hold well for a few seconds and then start drifting badly. Even on the bench the servo would sometimes stay put; other times it would creep (run, actually) to one end.

It wasn't temperature drift; I've had Telebees and Align 500 gyros and I know the trick to getting around temp drift.

These are just poorly made and you're better of getting something else.

I finally just saved some money for a couple of weeks and got a used GY401. Best $80 I ever dropped on any heli I've had. I am AMAZED at the difference a good, real gyro makes.

Quit cryin' and start flyin'!
10-27-2009 12:17 PM
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Ale_rozzi
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Location: La Plata, Buenos Aires - Argentina

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frustrating gyro

hey folks menay thanks for the advises, I know many people told me about buying best electronic but temptation (and pocket size)...

well will try to make it works according with instructions you wrote, howeber, my receiver don´t have channel numeration (are them standard?) also about gear, switch on Tx is operative, and sends signal but not reading it on any channel on RX, pleas any advise on a cheap acceptable new gyro? (hard to bring a used one to my country due custom regulations) what about copter X or Esky? Gyros with remote gain/modeHH trimmer need a dedicated radio? in other words, if my radio doesn´t have that switch could i correctly set up a gyro with these functions?

thanks in advance
10-29-2009 05:41 AM
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Spitfire1
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Location: Perth Australia

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Not sure about the Walkera radio, if it has the required stuff or not as Im not familiar with it, Im always strapped for cash too in this hobby so Im fairly good at not buying expensive gizmos I dont need, unfortunately you realy have to have a minimum of a Futaba 401 gyro or youl end up haveing issues, really you would be good to try and get a DX6 or DX7 radio if possible.

That being said Im sure the Walkera should have a the necessary chanels and switches to accomodate a HH gyro, Im just not familiar with it so I cant advise.

The order which the cabbles go into the receiver are either the same as Futaba or the same as JR, you need to figure out which of the two the Walkera radio system is the same as.

From memory JR/spectrum receivers are.

ch1 throttle
ch2 ailer
ch3 elev
ch4 rudd
ch5 gear
ch6 aux1 (pitch

Cant remember futaba its slightly different, I think ch 1 and 2 may be swapped..
10-29-2009 06:51 AM
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dkshema
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Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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Futaba goes

1 Aileron
2 Elevator
3 Throttle
4 Rudder
5 Gear -- also gyro gain
6 Aux1/Pitch

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10-29-2009 11:05 PM
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nrad2000
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Location: USA

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I bought one a year ago - just to try it out since I got it for $15 on ebay. I didn't want to spend anymore - and boy was that $15 bucks was a waste.

1) Limit adjuster inside/ board was shifted couple millimeters to one side so adjusting the Limit was difficult.

2) adjusting the Limit worked half the time.

3) I don't think it has AVCS.

after discovering what a pain this gyro is (found that out soon as I plugged it into the receiver) I basically took it out and never used it again. I kept it because it may work for some other application like an RC car or a heli-cam.

My suggestion is "don't use it on your heli".
11-02-2009 12:24 AM
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Melnic
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Location: Columbia, MD,USA

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You have a cheap Gyro and a cheap Tx/Rx but it can work (somewhat).

Do you have the Walkera Tx manual?
Is it this one?
http://www.toysonics.com/images/D/w..._22e_remote.jpg

This is the same one that came w/ my Exceed G2 (Walkera 36).
Plug the 3 wire plug from the gyro into CH4
plug the single wire plug from the gyro (gain) to CH5.
Make sure the single wire of the gyro is in the same row as the colored wires of the other servo wires (not black).

The top 2 knobs of the Tx are defined by dip switch selection on the back.

To change the gyro gain on the Walkera Tx, you have to flip dip switch #6 on the back ON then adjust the gyro gain using the top left knob. Once your in HH mode, Note if to the right or to the left is HH mode. If say to the left is HH mode then more CCW will be more gain. If to the right is HH mode then more CW will be more gain.

Your going to have to test fly the heli w/ dip switch 6 on (make sure 7,8,9 are all off) As you are flying, turn the knob till you have enough gain to get the tail to wag a little, then back it off some. When you like the gain you have, flip dip switch #6 back to the off position.

I can guarantee you that this TX will frustrate you and you will be better off w/ a better Tx/Rx in the long run. But you should be able to get it working until you get better electronics.

I have a cOLCO GY400 on my Esky HBK2 that I use for backyard flying. I had it on my 450 for a while but now have much better stuff. It will work, but it tends to drift in temperature. It also does not piro very well at all (studders in a piro) and it blows out in fast backwards flight. It's fine for hovering and basic forwards flight if you can put up w/ the temperature drift.
11-02-2009 03:11 PM
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