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Gregor99
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I think that I will order a set of t-rex 500 main frames so that I can start my t-rex 500 build




You are going to build a 500 by ordering a few parts at a time? So much cheaper just to get the kit. If you have that kind of extra money to burn on your 500 project, you'd be better off spending it on a better gyro, tail servo, more packs, a new charger, the list goes on.

Canton MO backyard flying club
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11-01-2009 05:15 AM
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Heli_KV
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Location: Ottawa, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		It is so true. Just now I think should I get two lower CF frames for HBK for $32 (they need replacement) or better buy the whole frame for $70 and get quite a lot of extra parts, which will eventually be required.
11-01-2009 05:31 AM
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iceman320
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Location: utah

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'm not going to build a 500 piece by piece i'm going to buy a aftermarket frame to replace the stock frame when I get my kit.

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11-01-2009 02:58 PM
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Gregor99
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Why?

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11-01-2009 08:31 PM
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iceman320
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Location: utah

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		because I would rather have an aluminum frame instead of a carbon fiber frame. but I might not even order that frame now either, cause I seen the new 500 class heli from esky so i might pick up one of them instead of buying another clone.

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11-01-2009 08:36 PM
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Gregor99
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Location: Western Wa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Got it. On the Esky 900 please be aware that if you go that route you will be one of the pioneers learning all the required mods the hard way. If you go with a more well known product, you'll find the forum support is much better.

Most every issue you ever could encounter with a Trex, Atom, Protos, etc has already happened and a simple forum search will give you all the answers you need. With the 900, you'll amung the first to start dealing with its issues.

Canton MO backyard flying club
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11-02-2009 12:42 AM
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iceman320
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Location: utah

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		yeah i know, but do any of the other 500 class helis give you the option to use standard size servos or micro servos?

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11-02-2009 01:44 AM
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Gregor99
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Most 500s use mini (not micro) servos for the cyclic. I run a full sized servo on my 500's rudder. Why is that important to you? Does the Esky 900 take standard sized servos?

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11-02-2009 02:51 AM
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iceman320
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		yeah the esky 900 gives you the choice to use either mini servos or standard sized servos. the only thing that i don't like about it is that it has an all plastic head assembly.

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11-02-2009 04:59 AM
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Gregor99
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Looks like it not completely plastic. The swash is metal. Plastic in the head is not nessessarily a bad thing. Though its a common belief that CNC is required in the head, the stock Trex 500 (not ESP model) uses plastic mixing arms and plastic tail, including grips. The Knight 50 and 600e use plastic blade grips. However, the plastic hub and flybar carrier on the Esky 900 do concern me.

Let us know what you decide.

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11-02-2009 05:29 AM
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iceman320
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		yeah that's what concerned me to was the plastic fly bar holder. and the plastic center hub. I wonder if i could use the aluminum center hub and fly bar holder from the trex 500 on the esky 500?

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11-02-2009 02:53 PM
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Gregor99
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		The Align head uses an underslung flybar. So if you replace the hub, you'd need to either replace the rest of the head or re-engineer mixing the Esky and Align parts. Sometimes that's easy. Sometimes, not so much.

While inspecting my T500 flybar holder, I noticed something you might find very interesting..... its plastic!

However, it uses a yoke design which straddles the hub and is ends up putting less tortenal stress on the mount points from the carrier to the hub.


This is an example of how the use of plastic is not nessessarily a bad thing. It depends on the quality of plastic and the design of the part. There are some things that just never be plastic. Like the balls on the HBK2 head. I would think the hub is another part that shouldn't be plastic on a 500 or larger heli. But I could be wrong.

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11-02-2009 04:40 PM
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iceman320
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		well I will keep looking at the 500 class helis and then keep flying my 450's and playing with my sim. and if I can see that i'm progressing by the time that xheli gets the exi 500 plastic edition helis back in stock then I might buy a 500 class or maybe even a 600 class we'll see though. I will have to research the esky 500 a little more. Just out of curiosity how long did it take most of you guys to learn to hover and then fly your helis around?

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11-02-2009 07:29 PM
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Gregor99
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		This is not what you want to hear, but its different for every aspiring pilot. More time on the sticks, real or sim will speed the process up. Some pilots get more practice time than others. Also some pilots will either skip or speed past the "basics" and be able to do amazing 3d looking moves, but cannot perform nose-in. As a result, it becomes difficult to accurately compare progress between pilots. Spend much time on it and you can easily become frustated with your own progress.

Practicing with purpose will help keep you progressing on a path towards a goal. Master a tight controlled hover in all orientaitons. Don't get frustrated that the basics take forever. I've been at it for about 2 years and I hover in all orientations, fast and slow circuits, figure eights and circles, backward flight, flips, roles, loops and some inverted hovering. Dispite that, I still spend time on the basics whenver they feel rusty. Seems like I need to revisit nose-in repeately. So I've just added nose-in exercises to my regular routine.

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11-03-2009 04:17 AM
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iceman320
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Location: utah

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I try to practice at least three two or threes times a day but sometimes I just don't have enough time. and yes I do get frustrated a lot. but i do want to learn to fly and i have only be at it for about six months but i still can't seem to keep the heli still for very long. maybe I should build myself a heli pad that it 2' x2' square and try to hover over it, and then that way I might get better and hovering maybe. but I would like to get a bigger heli someday and see if it is eaiser to hover with and learn to fly with also. i guess I shouldn't be so impatient so I guess that's something that I will have to work on and try to be better at. thanks

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11-03-2009 05:12 AM
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Gregor99
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Well..... a larger heli will be easier to hover. But I would definetly not jump to a larger heli under you are completely under control of the smaller ones. A crash on a larger heli is much more expensive and more importantly much more dangerous.

Work on that 2x2 box, maybe even drop to 1x1 and keep working on controlling it over that box. If you are flying 3 packs a day, then it will come, no doubt about it. But be patient. Its typical to work for long periods of time feeling you are not making any progress. Then suddenly it all clicks into place and all the work will pay off. Its those momments that keep you going.

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11-03-2009 05:41 AM
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iceman320
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Gregor99; I will work on my 2'x 2' heli pad and see if I can hover over it for a full pack and keep doing it until i can hover over it. but if and when i go to a bigger heli what would be a good size heli to get?

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11-03-2009 02:52 PM
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Gregor99
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I don't recall if you have sim. If not, that can help move this learning phase along. Phoenix is only $130 now. Also, be sure to work on side-in (both sides) before you've mastered tail-in. If not, you can get "locked in" to one orietation, making harder to move to the others. I did it in a rigid sequence. Tail-in, then left side. When I moved to right side, it was really difficult and is still my "weak" side dispite working harder on it that the left side.

As for choosing the next size heli, I'd make the selection first based on your flying area. If you have access to a club, then the larger heli, even nitro is an option. If you flying in an uncontrolled area (park, soccer field, etc) its better to stay at the 500 sized or lower. This is mainly to reduce the potential damage. Even if you are an excellent pilot, mechanical failures are common enough that you would not want a 600mm blades heli out of control with a kids, dogs and spectators around.

Bigger is not always better, that's a personal choice. Though its true that bigger will handle the wind better, I've found that pilot skill can more than make up for that. A larger heli is easier to see, and compared to a small heli everything is in slow motion. A good sim will let you try out different sized helis.

Greg

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11-03-2009 04:39 PM
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iceman320
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Location: utah

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I do have a sim but it's clearview I would like to get a copy of real flight or phoenix though. but I guess clear view will do until I can get one of the other sims. so I will have to look into getting a better sim for sure. but i would most likely be flying at a local park that's like a block away from my house so it looks like I will have to get the 500 class heli

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11-03-2009 07:26 PM
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Gregor99
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Never tried Clearview so I don't know how well it works. A good measure of how accurate it is will be to compare your real life heli challenges to those you encounter in the sim. Do are you having the very same control issues on the sim vs real life? If so, then its likely fine for now.

Use your sim time as extention of your practice time with the real heli. If you will be practicing hovering stationary over a small box with the real heli, do exactly the same thing on the sim. Going back and forth will help you tell how close the sim is.

BTW, I found the Phoenix was much harder to hover stationary over a 1 foot square box, than in real life. For that phase I did most of the work on the real thing, in the garage with lights. That let me work on it all winter long. For most everything else Phoenix matches the real heli well enough.

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11-03-2009 08:20 PM
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