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TJinGuy
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Location: Socorro, NM - USA

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2 Things

1) New pilots can benefit from Zippy packs. They are cheap and allow these pilots to get started for less. In short they will never know the difference. Of course there will be a difference but it does not matter to them, or it shouldn't. I myself started with lots of hovering. In fact I did that for what I would guess is 150 flights on my King2 and Mini Titan before I started to feel the need for a "Good" lipo. Of course this is all hind sight. At the time I thought "Buy nice, buy once" but that turned into a joke. I bought nice, expensive packs (FMA and Outrage) and they fared no better than the cheap Mega Powers I started with or the Zippys I still use today.

So like everything, everyone should consider their needs and buy accordingly. There is a very useful place for Zippys.

2) For big birds the use of Zippys is less noticeable in terms of performance. Yes it is still there but the fact is that most of these batteries are not even coming close to full output capabilities. I too have a K600e and I run 8s 5000s made up of 2x 4s 5000 20C Flightmax packs. Each flight pack cost me $143 shipped to my door in 5 days. I have 30 flights on each flight pack now and they are still very strong. My last eagle tree log shows an avg rpm of 2100rpm, avg voltage of 29.12V and a low voltage of 27.32V. Maybe those numbers suck compared to a $500 TP 45C pack but they are plenty for anything I will ever need.

But again like everything, everyone should consider their needs and buy accordingly. There is a very useful place for Zippys.

- Chris

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10-23-2009 04:07 PM

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OICU812
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Chris good post and situations as you mention I do agree for sure. Just wanted to present for those power hungry, performance driven folks that the numbers work. Of course many variables with what machine u have, your expectations etc. It appears with the newest stuff coming out however being more the numbers in cost per flight are making a lot more sense then they were in comparison to just a few months ago, exciting times for all of us electric guys.

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10-23-2009 06:40 PM

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TJinGuy
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Indeed. If nothing else, every TP, Hyperion and other name brand battery owner should be in love with Zippy as they have forced the cost to drop 20-40% while at the same time adding even more performance. Isn't competition grand!

- Chris

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10-23-2009 06:45 PM

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Todd74
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What OICU812 said all makes perfect sense except for one thing - if you crash a lot and ding the packs up.

Whether it's because you're a beginner or just crash your brains out regularly, there's a good chance you'll ding up your pack, and a dinged up pack is basically trash. At that point, an expensive pack don't do anything for you except hurt your wallet more.

10-23-2009 06:51 PM

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TJinGuy
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IF the pack has a crash replacement warranty, then it does lessen the blow a little. But not all do including the Hyperions. From what I can see they have no warranty at all.

There was one other point that came to me later after reading the long post (from this point on it shall be referred to as the "long post"

. If you buy 3 cheap packs vs 1 expensive pack then you will have 3 packs to fly before you have to recharge vs just 1. In that case it would better to buy the cheap packs and just replace them more often.

- Chris

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10-23-2009 07:15 PM

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OICU812
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Aha chris, however with the new tp and hyp tech u can in fact charge at 4c plus, can't do that without ill effect on a zippy, I've tried

therefore 1 becomes 4 lol. Crashing as mentioned yes as mentioned agreed, but I feel as we all progress we crash far less don't we? If not a person should consider a different hobby hehehehe.

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10-23-2009 07:26 PM

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TJinGuy
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So what charger do you have that will charge a 6s 5000 pack at 4C?

- Chris

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10-23-2009 07:28 PM

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FlaG8r
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So what charger do you have that will charge a 6s 5000 pack at 4C?

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10-23-2009 07:42 PM

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duke666
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Aha chris, however with the new tp and hyp tech u can in fact charge at 4c plus, can't do that without ill effect on a zippy

I would like to bet it's not long before you can

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10-23-2009 07:53 PM

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OICU812
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Now that's a secret. However very soon we'll have a few brands emerging with available chargers that will in fact support the new tech specs. Think packs would be made with such specs without rest to accomadate? Of course not guys.

I'm betting by new years we will all see how this balls up together.

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10-23-2009 07:57 PM

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OICU812
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Maybe duke but I kinda dout hobby king is going to be a nano tech leader by any means. Time will tell, regardless of what brands advance it is good for all of us for sure.

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10-23-2009 08:01 PM

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misskimo
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Charger is in the works from tp.

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10-23-2009 08:15 PM

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TJinGuy
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It is not really a question of can it be done or even will it be done, as I am sure some company will have a 650W, 30A charger capable of charging a 6s 5000 at 5c at some point. The question is, is that really such a good thing? Having to have a 800W bench top power supply just to charge one pack just to save 10min of charge time is kinda stupid. Plus think of all the guys with those awesome little 1000W Honda generators, they will have to have one for each charger! Or maybe you think you can charge a 6s 5000 pack at 5C off you car? Yeah no.

The way I see it, most guys that fly Trex250s, 450s, and even 500s can easily charge at 5C right now and that is enough.

- Chris

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10-23-2009 09:27 PM

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OICU812
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It's not whether you can or will, it's the fact the option is there, and it replaces 4 lipos to 1 if you should wish. For example on my mobile funfly setup I have a Iota Engineering 75amp power supply. It can supply 5 TP1010 chargers all charging at 5.0 amps a piece. With the new tech and chargers that will be coming out from companies, I will be able to only have to take two chargers and charge at a simple (2C) if I'd like and get same results and not have to as well have as many packs due to faster charging times etc, that is the point. I was only retorting with explination as to yet another differnce in what we are seeing between lipo tech from a few months back to what is available now and upcoming.

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10-24-2009 12:14 AM

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duke666
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[/quote]I'm betting by new years we will all see how this balls up together.[quote]

Like this with a 5c charge rate:

http://www.hyperion-world.com/produ...HP-EOS0615iDUO3

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Blade_Master1
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Not

I have outrage packs that have puffed on me after only 25 or so flights not impressed for 75$ for 3S. I have Rhino packs that have lasted longer and they only cost ~20$

maybe some of the name brands are better but they cost too much to experiment with.
as for crash replacement and warranty: Outrage did not honour their warranty!
why should I pay more and gamble that XYZ company will honour their warranty ?

for 1/3 of the price I can afford to gamble that a pack won't puff or get damaged in a crash.

I have recently started using 6S packs because Hobby city has made it affordable less than 90$ for a 6S1p 25C 5000 mah compared to 300$ for a brand name .

If your into hard 3D maybe you should stick with name brands
but for 80% of the people who don't fly 3D all the time at least we have access to affordable batteries

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10-24-2009 02:54 PM

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TJinGuy
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Like this with a 5c charge rate: http://www.hyperion-world.com/produ...HP-EOS0615iDUO3

Uh yeah just because they advertise that it has a 5C charge rate means nothing if the biggest battery it will charge at 5C is a TRex 450 battery. Any charger can charge at 5C if it has the power to do so. Right now the biggest charger available can charge a 6s 2500 at 5C but that is where it ends. And like I said above, that is enough.

- Chris

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10-24-2009 03:40 PM

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GyroFreak
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I crash to much so I will use the HobbyKing source till I get a whole lot better.

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10-24-2009 03:55 PM

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OICU812
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BladeMaster, I was speaking in terms of the new technology aka: TP45C and Hyperions, NOT Outrage lipos.

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10-30-2009 08:55 AM

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kc7328
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Location: Kansas City

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zippy's

Speaking of a new heli pilot trying to up his stash of 2200 3s lipos to get the most flight and hover time out of thier 450 heli...

Hobbycity now has their old standard 3s1p 2200 20c flightmax batts for $13.99 In my opinion.. these just cant be beat for the beginner that will be hovering 50 packs worth in the backyard and moving to forward flight.. thereafter..

I have 3 of these and they are doing very well after about 30 cycles each.. i just dont see spending any more on them.. ( for sport flying.. when you are ready to stick bang.. up to the 30c models.. )
Part of the trick of shipping is to maximize your order up to the point of the next weight class increase.. In this case.. you can get up to 5 of them and fall just under the 1000g bump..

$89.95 for 5 lipos.. shipped on the slow ride..
or
$95.90 for 5 lipos on the quick EMS ship..

you just cant go wrong.. I also use the 6s 3000 turnigy's for my trex 500 and they are fantastic..

after spending lots of dough on FP, TP, etc.. i decided to give these a try.. i have been about 99% satisfied with my changover.. and my wallet is ecstatic.. i did have one lipo ( out of about 16 i have bought from them ) that came with one cell pretty low.. slow charged it and it is almost good as new.. not quite.. but almost..

just food for thought..

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10-30-2009 07:20 PM

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