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NZ_Nitro
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http://www.trademe.co.nz/Toys-model...n-246665628.htm oh and here is his you tube channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeIQBpOL19Q

this is his website http://www.imafanz.com/company.htm
10-14-2009 09:26 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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crikey

looking at the vid at 1.20 there is public sitting there having a picnic, what head speed is that? 20,000,000 rpm? anyone know a Philip Souter in ChCh New Zealand?
10-14-2009 09:30 AM
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Sonic88
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This poor guy is clueless about running a business venture.
http://www.imafanz.com/finance.htm#Donate

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10-14-2009 10:24 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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yeah I saw that, like his thoughts about it

but I dont see it happening, as for the stands, 4 skid self tappers vs the power of a 90 or 50 heli? the first few who blow up their heli will have his arse in court
10-14-2009 10:26 AM
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Sonic88
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What about Ground Resonance?

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10-14-2009 10:37 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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resonance?

Oh you mean the BOOM factor lol well yes I can see a few helis getting that, and it will turn into a very expensive parts list I meant his thoughts about raising money for a bunch of fields, not practical though
10-14-2009 10:40 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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I see someone is giving him a telling off over on Trademe

He does not have a clue on how dangerous it could potentially be
10-14-2009 10:59 AM
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Imafanz
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Who are you?

Hello NZNITRO, I'm Philip Souter from Imafanz.Ltd.

So far you have tried to trash my auctions on Trade me, Trade me Admin have dealt with you over that, you have started this thread and now you have started to send me threatening emails directly from, what appears to be your email at work, a political activist group. ( who have also been contacted).

You say someone is giving me a hard time on trade me, it's you for goodness sake.

The people in the background on the video are my wife, company co-director, neighbors and a close flying buddy, not 'public' having a picnic. There is no 'Public' within 400 metres.

I've have told you the stand has gone through an extensive 12 month testing period and has encountered almost all 'bad' things that can
test it's capability. Many induced such as ground effect response, resonance issues caused from general vibration induced to total head imbalance and going into a thrashing scenario. In all instances the stand did not flinch and neither was there any indication that anything would let go on the helicopters themselves. Some of these situations were very scary and quite frightening, enough to make you run for your life, BUT, the stand did it's job, saved me, saved the Heli and my wallet. The video was created with the extreme situations to show to viewers that it is quite capable, which it is. Regarding the screws holding your skids on I suggest you do a full test on the holding capability of those fixings and associated hardware before you make a wrong assumption such as they will let go so easily.

Apart from that if your wheel nuts come loose and your wheel falls off because you've never checked them or not done them up properly does someone blame the car manufacturer? no, that comes down to operator stupidity.

I totally stand by this product but one cannot make things idiot proof
and things can happen, thats the nature of humans. BUT! this product does it's job and does it extremely well. The stand will not fail! If your helicopter does because you have taken it past it's capability or have not done maintenance that is your fault, not my products.

This is a comment left on my Trade me auction by one of my customers who read your comments before they were removed and obviously considered them out of order. This gentleman has a huge experience in real helicopters from working in them during the deer recovery days on the West Coast of the South island in New Zealand. He probably knows more than most about the effects of helicopters in bad situations as back in those days, in that industry, helicopters were taken to the limit of their rated performance and capability on a daily basis.

I recently purchased your heli test stand . I have found it extremely useful to work on the construction of my TREX 600 as it allows me to rotate the model around easily on my work bench. Also it saved my ass 3 days ago as i was ready to fire up the first time my electric main motor and for some reason the machine fired up full power on the bench i had to wait for the battery to die before i could get any where near it it took about 11 mins to die but held on with the rotors at full power.

Regarding your comments on my 'only hovering in the video' What more would you want me to do? I was not out to show off but simply show from stand to stable hover of the helicopter. If your trying to make a point that I can't fly or you can fly better, ok, you can fly better than me. Who cares? I'm not out to be better than anyone else.

Who are you and what is your agenda?
I have found out who your offsider is and will deal with Grant directly. No doubt he knows who you are.
You have breached Trade me terms and conditions, possibly put your company in line for legal action and most likely not a condoned action with regards to these forums. If you continue with abusive and threatening emails the police will be involved.

Regards
Philip Souter
Imafanz.Ltd.

Many would say, why bother doing all this but that is my nature, installed by my Father. Respect your family name and stand up for what you believe in. I believe in this product otherwise I wouldn't put it on the market and I also believe in my venture.

I'm sorry, Sonic88 it appears you have been drawn into an attempted and uninformed smear campaign.

Regarding your comments about my business I understand what you are saying as it was the same reaction from my accounting company when setting up....lol It took 2 hours of explanation for them to get their heads around it. It is not a 'conventional' business model and for a very good reason. I could get share holders and investors to raise the capital, I have had offers, but This is not a cash cow venture and I do not want the income from the business to feed the pockets of others but continue to be feed it's profits back into the RC hobby.

This is a genuine attempt to create something good for the RC industry, fliers and all in general. If it doesn't work because people won't get behind it, so be it, that's the way of the world but the only way to assure the money goes where it is supposed to is to raise the capitol myself and have control over it's use. In the mean time I am creating products that will generate capitol to get the venture started. i.e. I am putting in the hard graft, that's the best I can do. It is also to finally find out once and for all, for me, if something can be done starting from basically nothing. Maybe, maybe not, time will tell.

I am very open to communication and all my personal contact information is available on my site. Feel free to contact me any time.
I will always reply to, and welcome, civil communication.

Well that's me done. Written a book....LOL

Regards
Phil Souter
Imafanz.Ltd
10-15-2009 01:39 AM
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Sonic88
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Right. Well the FACT remains that you should NEVER spool up an RC heli anchored to the ground. That is why you those "scary moments" because it is a very dangerous thing to. Regardless of the stand hold the skids or not. The heli itself could very easily break itself apart and sling parts at high speeds at the surroundings. There is a reason you are the only one marketing such a device. It is flat out DANGEROUS!

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10-15-2009 01:43 AM
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ShuRugal
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i think nznitro just got told

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10-15-2009 02:09 AM
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A. Bundy
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I don't know where to start so I'm just going to pass.lol
10-15-2009 02:19 AM
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Jawbone44
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Buddy, I sure hope you don't have to learn the hard way with that thing.

"Some problems don't have solutions, only outcomes" --Isaac Asimov
10-15-2009 02:49 AM
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NZ_Nitro
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lololololololol

I just got "told" oooooh im so scared, I really hope you have a big bank account to cover the breakages, what happens when someone gets hurt by it? you going to jail dude
10-15-2009 02:58 AM
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I just went to Trademe

to look at your auctions,
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I recently purchased your heli test stand . I have found it extremly useful to work on the construction of my TREX 600 as it allows me to rotate the model around easily on my work bench. Also it saved my ass 3 days ago as i was ready to fire up the first time my electric main motor and for some reason the machine fired up full power on the bench i had to wait for the battery to die before i could get any where near it it took about 11 mins to die but held on with the rotors at full power
For this to happen he has not done all his setup correctly, experienced you say? I think not
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deal with Grant directly
Grant who?
10-15-2009 03:03 AM
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THIS is the problem today:
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what happens when someone gets hurt by it? you going to jail dude
Laws protecting idiots. You should all think for yourselves.
10-15-2009 03:09 AM
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Imafanz
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Interesting

This is my last comment on this thread because it is quite pointless going any further.

What you describe happens anyway, tethered or not.
There is absolutely no difference from holding a Helicopter in ground effect on purpose and trying to get it to lift a load it is unable to lift. The heli will NOT suddenly burst into uncontrollable fits of rage or fly apart unless you have done something stupid, not maintained your model or simply set it up/run it beyond it's capabilities and run it up without caution. As for the skids, if those skid screws are in good condition, the holes haven't been stripped and are firmly fastened, which should be the case at all times, they will hold in excess of 20kg each. with a spread load, 4 points, that's a weight holding of around 80 kg. the stand, completed weighs around 30kg. A safety margin of 50kg or around 266% The helicopter can not lift these weights so it is 'tethered'. It then comes down to the force of the helicopter itself.

If you do not know your helicopters capabilities and it's limits you should not be flying in the first place. If you are quite prepared to run it up beyond those, and your capabilities while it is tethered, then it is your responsibility.

To say a RC helicopter should NEVER be run up while tethered is simply nonsense. If it is in a well maintained condition and set up even close to correctly you can run it up and leave it sitting like that till the cows come home. The worst that will happen is you'll run out of fuel. If for some reason something does go wrong then it would anyway but most likely be 100ft up in the air and destruction
would be inevitable. Possible injury, absolutely. You have no control of where it goes. Tethered and something goes wrong you have the situation contained to the best of your ability and will most likely save the helicopter and people from injury. It's your choice.

My product will not fail regardless. If your helicopter does then you should be looking in the mirror, not at my product.

As I said, you can't make things idiot proof, we just breed bigger idiots. I'm sure you know an example?

Did you know it was once a 'FACT' that the world was flat.
Apparently you fell off the end of the earth.
How things change with knowledge and the first guy to sail over the edge must have been a brave soul!

Buy one get it to fail then come back with some critique. I'll never hear from you again except to say thank you one day I'm sure.

It has to be better than Ray Hostetler with a piece of wood and two rocks as in his video. No offence Ray, just a an example of others doing a similar thing with different equipment.
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NZ_Nitro
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Oh boy

Time to get the popcorn out and watch the fun, tell me have you seen the thread over at RCU on this? seems you are getting plenty of free advertising even if its bad, I may look at contacting trademe myself to complain, then perhaps the "ministry of consumer affairs" who will shut you down, your logic is very flawed, 20 kg on one small self tapper screwed into plastic while vibrating? BOOM
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