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DTM
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Location: Belgium

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This summer I had the chance to buy a second hand, but never flown R22 from Vario. After playing around with the engine it soon became apparent that it would never perform well in the stock format. It consistently overheated as soon as the canopy and dummy engine was fitted. Apparently the previous owner had fitted a "racing" engine which couldn't be made to run properly.
Because I am more fond of electric power, I decided to make it electric, rather than investing in a new engine. I still had a Kontronik Pyro motor and Jive controller laying around, a combo which would be more than adequate...


The mechanics recieved some new supports and a motormount which adapted the Pyro to the existing holes for the Zenoah. The batteries fitted nicely on the sides.


The motor looks really small in comparison to the rest of the mechanics. Batteries are 2x 6s 5000 mAh packs


After fitting the canopy and dummy engines it looks like this. Room to spare inside the body. I could probably fit another batterypack to extend flighttimes.


First test flight revealed a very flexible motorplate, which has received some bracing underneath since then.


And it flies nicely Flighttimes are around 10 min with an average current draw of 34A. The power is about the same as with the Zenoah, but without the noise and vibration. Temperature of all the components never exceeds 30°C. I can recommend this conversion to all R22 owners.


One more where I photoshopped the flybar. In the future I might convert it to flybarless.

A few figures:
AUW: 12,3 Kg
Rotor dia: 2,2m
HS: 850 rpm
Flighttime: 10 min on 12s 5000 mAh
Max current: 49A/ Hover: 34A
Flies from 8s to 12s LiPo
Pinion: 14t
10-13-2009 07:48 PM
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Tap or Snap
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Location: Springhill, Fl

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Very nice conversion indeed. I converted a set of Benzin mechanics mounted in a Vario Huey fuselage. Actro 32-4, cchv110, 10 cell lipos, 810mm scale blades with 1200rpm hs. I adapted the original clutch 22t and a 48t pulley.


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Regards Jeff

10-16-2009 01:04 AM
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DTM
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Location: Belgium

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Thanks,I ordered a smaller 14t pulley to get anywhere near the 850 rpm on the head. I'm still quite off as I have to run it on 50% throttle on 12s, but everything stays cool and the Jive ESC doesn't seem to mind. Did you reuse the clutch aswell? I don't know how much headroom you still have with the motor and ESC, but it might be worth retrofitting a smaller pulley?
10-17-2009 11:21 AM
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Location: Springhill, Fl

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Yes used the original clutch with 22 t but I changed the back pulley from 40t to 48t and running at 82% at 1200rpm. Can fly for 10-12 minutes with the 8000mah true R/C packs.


Jeff
10-20-2009 09:08 PM
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tow cobra
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Location: Riverhead, NY

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I would like to consider this conversion for my Vaio R22

I find that the vibration of the gas engine does not lend itself to smooth flight and tail control.

I had a similar experience with a hirobo chinook such that the flight characteristics were never fully stable but once converted to a smooth electric system, all problems were solved and it became quite easy to fly.

Where does one obtain the plate for motor mount? Did you have to fabricate this yourself or is one comercially available?

Can you give detailed pics of the mount/drive system, i.e. can you use the clutch or is a pinion driving the belt?

Thanks,

Tow
10-26-2009 06:45 PM
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DTM
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Location: Belgium

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Hi Tow,

send me a pm with your e-mail and I'll send you the drawing of the motor mount. It's quite easy to build, you don't need anything more than a drill and a saw to make it. The pinion is fixed direct on the motor shaft without clutch. I ordered from HPC gears, ref: 14XL050F. I just had to re-drill the hole on a lathe to match the shaft diameter.
I'm planning to fit a Pyro 30-14 motor to increase the efficiency, then I will be able to make some pictures, right now it's kinda hard to get the camera inside the fuselage
10-28-2009 02:43 PM
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hrbeta
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Location: Boca Raton, FL. USA

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Hi DTM.
I'm in the process of building a new R-22 which I want to convert to EP.
I'm using an AXI 5330-28 motor, a Kontronic Jazz 63v ESC and I want to serialize 2 x 6 S Lipos to power the heli. According to my calculations I would have to replace the stock 22 grooves (teeth) pulley with a 24 grooves one, which I have already found, to get the rotor speed up to 900 rpm. I read you are not using the clutch (which would really simplify my life a lot), how is it working for you? I understand a clutch is highly recommended for a machine of this size. I'd appreciate any tips or suggestions you can provide me for this project.
Thank you very much.
Regards.

Hector
11-12-2009 10:04 PM
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DTM
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Location: Belgium

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Hi Hector,
The math seems to add up for that motor with a 24 grooves pulley. The maximum power of this motor is also in the green at 2500W. Typically in this model you won't need more than 2000W for normal flight(including stall turns )Should be a good setup.
As long as you use a Kontronik ESC, which has a super smooth start, I don't see why you would need a clutch on this machine.
The difference in our setups is the gear ratio. I have a smaller and faster motor with a larger gearing whereas you have a big slow motor and a smaller ratio. I'm curious as to see the differences between those setups in terms of efficiency...
The conversion is quite straightforward really, only one attention point which is very important: the base plate is very flimsy and the motortorque will make it flex and disturb the belt alignment. Just adding the 2 supports from the main frame will not suffice. I added 2 L profiles of 10x10mm from the front of the plate up to the front landing gear mounting, running parallel with the belt. This really stiffens up the baseplate and keeps the belt nicely aligned. Next ime I take off the body, I'll take some more pictures.
I hope to post the log of this machine sometime soon, but for now, the weather is just too bad here in Europe.
11-14-2009 09:02 PM
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hrbeta
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Location: Boca Raton, FL. USA

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Thanks for the insight DTM Nice heli BTW, I'd love to see more pics and some video too
I chose the bigger AXI because that's the motor Peter Wales successfully uses on his big Vario 47G (same mechanics as our R-22). However he runs 15 S Lipos to attain +/- 900 rpm with the stock gearing. I'm trying to get to use my numerous 6 S Lipos that I have for the rest of my EP heli fleet.
My R-22 is the newer version, with me motor located much closer to the main mast, so probably, being that the leverage is much less, I would not need the longitudinal bracing. We'll see, I'll keep you posted.
You guys in Europe are entering "building season", eh? We are lucky here in Florida, nice blue skies right now, a little windy through out Winter perhaps, but nice cool temperatures and bright sun light
Best regards.

Hector
11-16-2009 12:47 PM
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DTM
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Location: Belgium

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Yep, flying season is definately over in Europe. Pretty soon the snow will be coming, but that won't keep me from flying. As soon as the weather permits, I'm going to make a video: R-22 in the snow
11-17-2009 08:26 PM
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Dr.Ben
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Location: Richmond, VA, USA

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Threads like this add further support to the concept that there are really only two SMOOTH ways to power a big scale model, electric and turbine. I've lost count of the nightmare stories of large scale models plague by vibration induced failures from hammering gasoline engines. Vario seems to do better than anyone with their ali mechanic which does absorb a good deal of vibration, but if I were to build such a large project, I can't fathom doing it any other way than electric (or turbine were money no object). Hell, batteries aren't even very expensive anymore.

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11-18-2009 06:30 AM
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hrbeta
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Location: Boca Raton, FL. USA

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Like most everyone out there, when I started flying helis a few years back, I did it with smaller electric powered models. I learned then that EP was a great source of power, as we all know, clean, quiet, reliable and efficient. I moved on to bigger size helis and I did not vouch, I stayed electrified. Even though batteries were very expensive just a couple of years ago but the EP advantages were evident to me.
However, I kept on dreaming of a big gasoline heli with an on-board starting system
It was very, very recently, just a couple of weeks ago, that I decided going electric on my new R-22, after I met Peter Wales and Darrell Sprayberry at Jacksonville, FL. These guys ONLY fly HUGE electric or turbine machines. After so many years of top-level combined experience, they will not touch a gas motor. Turbines are out of the question for me, too expensive and complicated for now.
EP is the way to go; I see my flying pals at the field dealing with carb mix, plugs, starters, nitro cans, pumps, cleaning towels, etc. and I feel even better about just connecting my batt and go flying
11-18-2009 12:21 PM
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DTM
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it's true that the era of electric power has dawned, however there are only a handful of people that realize what can be done with electric. Just to illustrate: everyone that has seen me with the R-22, has laughed and asked me if the little motor inside was just for fun. After flight it's a different story
I think a lot of people are still put off because they believe an electric model is difficult or dangerous and that it can never have as much power as a gasoline engine.
11-19-2009 11:51 AM
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