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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Is it worth it?
 
 
gologo
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Location: Sedalia, Mo USA

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.......! Coulda swore he said he was Larry, and I did not ask
the last name, just assumed........... But it was for sure, not you.
He was telling me about you and your demo station, but never asked
him to point you and your area out. My loss!
10-21-2009 05:20 PM
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Chris Bergen
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Location: location

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Probably Larry Chapman then!!

He's the one that started ME on this FBL noe kick by putting the GMP legend head on his Bergen Tazer.

He flew that machine at IRCHA, during one of our times up at center stage.

Chris Bergen
10-21-2009 05:31 PM
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heli-cuzz
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Location: Pittston, Pa. USA

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Cool video. Lets see some video of you other experts flying.

Quit typing i want to see some VIDEO

I'm no expert but ask and you shall receive.

10-22-2009 12:51 PM
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Chris Bergen
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My Posts This: Topic  Forum		 Sweet!!

Chris Bergen
10-22-2009 02:39 PM
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Wimbledon99
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Location: UK

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Probably Larry Chapman then!!

Wasn't he in 'Dallas' ?

Seriously folks, I had no idea you could fly like that without a flybar and NO electronics!!

I think I'd be scared to try if I'm honest - your Tx sticks must be smoking at the end of each flight

WIll stick to my vBar 4's

Cheers

3D?? No - just another input error!!!
10-22-2009 03:01 PM
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Chris Bergen
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your Tx sticks must be smoking at the end of each flight

I think that's the point trying to be made here. I personally do NOT find it that difficult. Different? Yes! Most certainly. It takes a couple of flights to get used to it. But on the very FIRST flight, I said "OH, that's not so bad!!"

It may not be for everyone, and it may not be for every helicopter, but if it DOES work for you on your helicopter, it's pretty damn fun!!

Chris Bergen
10-22-2009 03:13 PM
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Justin Stuart
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Location: Plano, Texas

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		To do this you still need a t/r gyro, right?

MinAir Spectra-G
Trex 450Pro V-bar /Scorpion /JR
Wally Motors//DL Canopies
10-22-2009 03:23 PM
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Eco8gator
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Location: Palm Beach Gardens, FL

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Yes

And you should be able to comfortably fly a 600 sized heli and up with out a gyro system assisting on the cyclic. Its just a lot more locked in with the gyros.

You can get a good idea of how off your CG is by flying with no gyros.

Carlo

Team Thunder Power
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10-22-2009 04:10 PM
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Jag72
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Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Squirrely

Flying without a stab unit does work....but it's just SQUIRRELY...absolutely nothing precise about flying Flybarless without a stab unit

there is no "Locked in" feel like Carlo said...I would say it's like trying to balance a ball on your fingertip....there is no center...the heli is always in motion...

I find it more enjoyable to fly with help...so I gave up on the naked route..
10-22-2009 04:18 PM
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Wimbledon99
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Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Hi Jag72,

Did I see you have an xtreme 50 in another post? If so, do you have any thoughts re. the recommended first flight settings with a vBar 4?

P.S. Did you ever take the pics with the stock Trex 600 lid ?

Thanks.

3D?? No - just another input error!!!
10-22-2009 04:29 PM
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Jag72
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Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		X50

Yep...I have an RJX 50...used to run vbar in it..

I would recommend the Trex 600 file to start with...that'll get you VERY close ...


are you looking for pics of the RJX with a trex 600 lid?

I tried it ..but it didn't look quite right...I can't remember if I took pics though..

shoot me a pm if you need something specific though...

There are lots of pics in my gallery if you want to peek at them

MY GALLERY



Anthony
10-22-2009 04:34 PM
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Wimbledon99
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Location: UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Cool - Many Thanks.

Any pics of the X50 with different lids would be good - I'll have a look through your gallery.

Shame there's not more options from RJX or the likes of Fusuno But that's another forum

3D?? No - just another input error!!!
10-22-2009 04:39 PM
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Jag72
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Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		lids...

I know the logo 600 canopies fit perfectly on the RJX...I tried the Vibe 50 and trex 600 also...but they didn't look right..

There are pics in my gallery
10-22-2009 04:43 PM
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Jeff polisena
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Location: westpalmbeachflorida usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Eco8gator , Ive been in Bahamas so fell off map for a while but you cant make a horse drink

F.O.C.U.S. I have enough friends !!!!!
10-22-2009 08:01 PM
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Blade_Master1
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Location: Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		FBL not needed

10-22-2009 08:15 PM
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Blade_Master1
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Location: Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		FBLS not needed



So is it worth spending $$$? Not for me,
I don't do competition flying or 3D, I fly for the fun of it

also check this thread as many others are flying without FBLS
http://runryder.com/helicopter/t544...=450+flybarless

Unless your trying to sell a system why try and convince people that it is necessary to have?


10-22-2009 08:26 PM
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Jeff polisena
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Location: westpalmbeachflorida usa

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		 OK now this is getting annoying using words . No it is not needed ,yes you can fly without ,if you like it fly it but quit trying to reuse words to get people to agree . Yes I have tried it but I dont like it, yes you fly scale I can too but dont want to .It is what it is I dont think anyone on my side is saying you cant but you seem to think you are changing minds .I know I use you and my side (FBL) but you use words how you want so figure it out.

F.O.C.U.S. I have enough friends !!!!!
10-22-2009 08:26 PM
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Al Austria
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Location: Gainesville, FL

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Unless your trying to sell a system why try and convince people that it is necessary to have?

Unless you've actually flown a well setup FBL system, you would not understand. I've flown both ways, and I can guarantee anyone that has at least tried a well setup system, would NEVER consider going without one, period.

Century Helicopters
~Allan Austria
10-22-2009 09:18 PM
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heli-cuzz
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Location: Pittston, Pa. USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I'm convinced. It has to be in the naked FBL set-up.
I must have been very lucky and it flies very much to my liking/loving. Nothing squirrely about my heli.


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Flying without a stab unit does work....but it's just SQUIRRELY...absolutely nothing precise about flying Flybarless without a stab unit

You must be flying the wrong POS naked FBL helicopter my friend.
The only squirrely things I get are those furry little animals called squirrels running across the field.
10-23-2009 12:26 PM
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laughingstill
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Location: Gainesville, Fl, USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Cuzz

The next time you go out to fly, try these things: (and bring a camera )

(1) FFF into the wind.
(2) A full loop
(3) 4 point barrel rolls
(4) Fast backwards flying

Then if you ever come to FL. I will let you fly my Logo with stabilization, then you will be able to tell the difference.......Ron

Logo 600 VBAR Xera 4030, 3DMP-E VBAR soon!
10-23-2009 12:45 PM
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