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JR Heli Vibe - Airskipper - Sylphide - Venture > 1st Vibe 90SG crash

MANCHA
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sorry to read about your crash, perhaps a FBL fix could be fun !!

MANCHA

10-10-2009 10:20 PM

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Bonkers
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Location: New York

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Joerc, I totally disagree.

I challenge you to provide photographs of canopies painted by Canopy FX or InsaneCanopy or Canomod or ArizonaHeli or whomever and show me any discrepancies in quality.

Some may have slightly nicer designs than others, but that's really a matter of personal preference. Where quality is concerned, I'd imagine they are all the same, and that no one can prove otherwise.

10-11-2009 04:11 AM

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joec
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Location: VA

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Pictures will not tell you anything about quality. You need to look at the clear coat. As a vendor that paints canopies I can tell you that our clear coat is completely blemish free, with zero orange peel and no paint/masking lines felt.

Having a "deep gloss" clear coat and shine is what separate the good from the average.

10-11-2009 04:21 AM

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LoveMyTrex
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I challenge you to provide photographs of canopies painted by Canopy FX or InsaneCanopy or Canomod or ArizonaHeli or whomever and show me any discrepancies in quality.

are you serius? have you ever seen an insane or uneak designs canopy in person, you cannot compare a canomod to an insane or uneak. canopy painting is not an easy thing to do well. sure anyone can paint decent, but it is very hard to get good precise lines in the paint. plus the clearcote makes a ton of difference. a canomod has very basic clearcoting that leaves lots of orange pealing from the fiberglass. the insane canopies have very good clearcoting that leaves very little orange peeling. but the U-neak designs are by far the best I have seen. they look like glass

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10-11-2009 05:15 AM

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DfCicada
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Location: Dayton Ohio, USA

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bonkers i own a canomod canopy when it got to me it had a chip in the nose the lettering is stickers with clear coat over them i have already ordered an insane canopy because of the quality its like maaco paint job as apposed to a car show quality paint job its that simple

look at the differance between mine and the model i ordered from insane there is a huge diff!!

10-11-2009 05:44 AM

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laughingstill
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Location: Gainesville, Fl, USA

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It's all about price

You pay the high dollar for the Insanes etc and you get a good canopy for the price of the Canomod. Just expect what you apy for and you won't be disappointed. BTW NONE of them hold up in a crash

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10-11-2009 05:47 AM

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DfCicada
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Location: Dayton Ohio, USA

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As far as price my canomod was $186 shipped with no pilot name or TX logos My insane $240 with pilot name and logos shipped if i would have got pilot and logos it would have been about the same in price

10-11-2009 05:56 AM

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Vibe90SG
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Even the biggest names can sometimes mess up...

Take a look at those bubbles (next to Insane Canopy)I got on my Vibe 50 Insane Canopy...

Even though I bought the V50 canopy first, I still decided to get another Insane for my SG. I like their designs, and the light weight of their canopies.

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G

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10-11-2009 07:08 AM

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Bonkers
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Location: New York

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LovemyTrex,
I've seen lots of canopies, and they all look pretty damn similar to me.

But let us say, for argument's sake, that you are right.

THIS IS A STINKING TOY HELICOPTER CANOPY we are talking about here!! It isn't a $70,000 custom-built chopper! Nobody in their right mind is going to look at a R/C helicopter canopy paint-job so closely. Anyone who cares about 'orange peel' in the clear-coat on an R/C helicopter canopy is certifiably insane.

I love flying these things and, yeah, I can definitely be an incredibly anal guy--but I'm anal in all aspects of my life, including my profession. (Just a few posts above I admitted to replacing a side-frame because I scratched it...although, I will add that I was also concerned about the scuffed side-frame being weakened, and that that was a major contributor to my decision to replace it). Even I don't care that much about a canopy paint-job. Why? Because, design notwithstanding, they are all practically the same. The clear-coat differences you cite suggest someone who takes this hobby way, WAY too seriously.

It's one thing if all the canopy painters charged the same price and if their wait-times were the same. Yeah, then I'd be inclined to go with the one who did better work. But from what I understand, InsaneCanopy is substantially more expensive and the wait time is longer! $240 f-ing dollars for a painted canopy? $180 for a JR Vibe 50 canopy?? Are you kidding me? The Vibe 50 canopy is a $50 item. That means InsaneCanopy charges $130 to paint the damn thing (and that's assuming that for $180 they supply the canopy).

Seriously, it's one thing to enjoy these things and want them to look nice. But to care that much about better clear-coat from one painter, and then pay an obscene amount of money for it is just plain ludicrous.

10-11-2009 07:52 AM

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joec
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Location: VA

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How are you say anyone is "insane" for wanting and paying for quality work?

I care very much about my helis, about how they look and how they perform. And quite honestly I think you look kind of silly posting your comments on a Vibe 90SG thread. Its by far the most expensive heli out there and even though I do own one, it's quite over priced. With that said, I take pride in what I fly and want the best heli money can buy. I guess thats why I'm willing to put $4,000 into an F3C machine with a full body.

As for wait times again, not all painters are the same. I know many painters that guarantee a maximum of 3 week turn around.

So, I think its time you "open" your mind a little and realize that even though you dont care to spend $300 on a paint job for a gorgeous piece of artwork, then you really shouldnt judge others just because they do!!

10-11-2009 08:02 AM

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Bonkers
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Location: New York

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Joerc,
Calling an InsaneCanopy product a "piece of gorgeous artwork" is a dubious claim, at best. It's a nice paint-job on a canopy, and nothing more. Seriously, if you consider that to be art, then the standards you use to define something as "artwork" are pretty darn low. But let's not argue about the definition of art.
What's particularly baffling is your willingness to spend $300 on it! Spending that kind of money on a ticket to see Yo-Yo Ma play the cello would be money well spent on art. If you had the means, purchasing a Monet would be an investment in art. Paying $300 to have a toy helicopter painted is just plain nuts. It's beyond nuts!
And on top of that, haven't you noticed that most of these designs are completely devoid of originality? With little exception, a canopy from Canopy FX looks like one from Conomod looks like one from Fusuno looks like one from InsaneCanopy: black window surrounded by colors, stripes, and fades. Any differences between InsaneCanopy, real or imagined (by you) sure as hell aren't worth the price difference!
Mark my words: one day, in your old age, you will look back on this and be embarrassed by the fact that you dropped that kind of coin on something as utterly trivial and useless as a toy heli paintjob.
Finally, you're not the only one who spends a lot of money on helis. I own four 90-sized helis myself, all purchased brand-new, and all more than $1300. I have no objection to spending top dollar on machinery when I have to. But spending extra on a canopy paint-job? You've really got your priorities mixed-up!
I really hope you don't take this personally. I'm sure you're a very nice fellow. I'm just criticizing your attitude toward this one issue.

10-11-2009 10:34 AM

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Vibe90SG
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Location: Dubai, UAE

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I think we should continue talking about my crash... Or should I close this thread?

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10-11-2009 12:59 PM

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DfCicada
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Location: Dayton Ohio, USA

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Vibe Is correct we should talk about his crash and not change his thread to (Canopy Wars)The Final Chapter!!!

Bonkers I also see your side of the coin

10-11-2009 01:57 PM

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Bonkers
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Location: New York

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Vibe, we can discuss both, can't we?

Anyways, since you once got a crappy canopy from InsaneCanopy, why not try another canopy painter and get your bird up in the air sooner?

Just out of curiosity, why'd you decide to buy a Vibe 90SG in the first place? The Vibe 50 is a no-brainer. I've never bought a JR product before and even I bought a Vibe 50. But a Vibe 90 at $200 more than its competitors?

10-11-2009 06:14 PM

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Vibe90SG
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Location: Dubai, UAE

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My bird getting up in the air has nothing to do with a canopy... As I mentioned earlier, I will have my LHS paint one of the 2 brand new canopies that I have. I still love the quality of Insane Canopies, and similar "big name" canopy painters... But its more convenient to get it done locally this time, I would not wait 3-4 months for a canopy ever again...

Why did I get the SGs? Because I wanted to get a 90 after a owning a couple of Vibe 50s, and I was amazed by JRs quality... When you think about it, $200 is nothing in this hobby... Don't we all spend money on our hobby every day? I wanted a quality machine that looks good, and I could not find anything else...

Plus, I live in Dubai!!! hahaha

That was a joke!

Regards,
G

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10-12-2009 02:40 AM

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Thi-rex
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Location: Michigan

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Man...I wish I would have that kind of money. This is going to be your THIRD VibeSG kit ordered?

I'm sorry to hear your loss, Gorgin. Hope you'll enjoy puting together a new, quality heli again. Keep us posted of your new kid though (when u got it done).

10-12-2009 03:45 AM

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Vibe90SG
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Most of the addicts are either celebrities, or poor guys... I fall in the second category...

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10-12-2009 03:58 AM

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JR-ric
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Location: newport news VA

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if your not willing to spend money in this great and wondeful hobby then you should not be in this hobby at all, going here on runryder and claiming it crazy to spend this much and that much on the hobby, stop complaining and get another hobby. i love this hobby so much that im willing to spend the money and willing to rebuild a birf like an SG and buy a price canopy...

if you want to complain about the price then quit the hobby and stop complaining about the price and so on..

1400 is something people are willing to spend in this hobby and not complain about it..

if you do complain then dont buy it and get a cheap e-sky or something that wont make you complain about how pricey everything is.

i love my SG and if or when i crash it, i will buy the parts for it or even get another kit with no problem or regret

-----Ricardo Maldonado
Vibe 500E pro--VIbe 50--Vibe 90 3D--Vibe 90 SG--
Team JR/Horizon

10-12-2009 04:01 AM

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Vibe90SG
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I've done enough advertising for JR already. Don't you think team JR needs a rep in the Middle East? Hook me up Ricardo

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10-12-2009 04:11 AM

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LoveMyTrex
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I do believe JoeC is talking about his own line of u-neak designs painted canopies.

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10-12-2009 05:00 AM

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