RR Rated M For Mature
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 861 ONLINE 18 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
1 page205 viewsPOST REPLY
ReadyHeli . Power Helis . CANOMOD

.
.
Century Hawk - 50NX - Raven - Predator > predator 90
 
 
zackesch
Senior Heliman
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Is there a reason that the predator 90 isnt herd of too often? How does it compare with the more well known 90s like the raptor, trex 700, vibe 90... With the kit being 900, is it worth the money?

Go easy on me, I'm new!
10-09-2009 04:02 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
Furious Predator
rrProfessor
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
the predator is an awesome machine.

the reason you probably dont see it too often is because of all the sheeple that want the latest and "greatest"... "greatest" being used lightly. people want the latest thing out there, which may not be the best. they would rather blow their money into a new machine, vs an older designed helicopter that has proven itself.

the predator is just has light as the 700, yet much more rigid and durable.

I have been beating on mine for the last 3 years now. there is nothing it cant do that any other 90 can do.

its hard for me to say how much i love this machine without sounding like a cheer leader. but out of the many other machines i have built and flown, this has been by far the most reliable and fun helicopter to fly.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Team HelixRC
10-09-2009 07:13 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE   GALLERY
 
 
zackesch
Senior Heliman
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Ron helipro south gave me the answer that its an "old design," that its on the same level as the raptor 90 and that the trex 700, jr vibe 90 and the auora are at the best airframes out there.

I have no problems with century as i own an older raven 30 and its been a good trainer for me, along with my blade 400. I would like to stay with one company so im doing my homework. I like the fact that century still supports there older designs, and make the upgrades simple when the parts are no longer made. There is a guy at my field that still flys the hawk IV.

What makes the predator stronger "durable" compaired to other helis that the "sheeple" lean more twards? Mechanicaly, it does look like there are more parts that can go out, but is this just me?

Go easy on me, I'm new!
10-09-2009 07:48 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
steve9534
Key Veteran
Location: yakima, wa.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Predator

It's a great reliable, durable, light weight heli. The head is a blatant copy of the MA Fury head and flies pretty much the same. The t/r gears are larger and stronger, the clutch a better and more durable design, and the frames are stiffer than the Fury. The design has been around for ten years or so, but it's still a good design and I think the best of the helis from it's era. I don't know that the Aurora, Vibe, or Trex 700 are necessarily any better. They all use a nearly identical head design that will fly about the same depending on the setup. They all weigh about the same (My PMax CF is just under 10 pounds dry). The Aurora is still basically unavailable in stores, both it and the Vibe are very expensive to fix, and the Trex has had some problems with gears and such. I've got two Predators that have been flown a bunch and are still tight. There's a Trex 700 that should arrive in the mail today. I'll let you know if I like it any better. steve.
10-09-2009 08:02 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
Furious Predator
rrProfessor
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Ok, you opened a can of worms now

Vibes and Aurora's are great. They have a copied rotor head design from the Predator. If they actually copied it or not doesn't matter, but all the "latest and greatest" helicopters have an identical head design as the predator...mainly referring to the Bell Hillier mixers. the Bell Hillier mix wasn't invented by Century (as far as i know), but they have been using it since day 1, while all these new high end machines seem to be just discovering it.

the stacked frames on the predator are VERY rigid.

the Predator has always had a nice big heavy duty Sprague clutch for the one way drive...Aurora was advertising it as one of their selling features...

As mentioned, its light weight. if you have lets say a Predator and an Align 700, both have identical power systems, and both weigh the same...how is one helicopter supposed to out power the other? is it because the 700 is a newer model?

as for reliability, the predator had a very simple low parts count airframe. Other then basic wear and tear such as clutch bearings, ball links, fuel tubing, and so on. i have really had no need to replace anything. and believe me, i have tried over and over to break something in the air.

my old Vigor was a nightmare. the parts list for most JR machines goes on for several pages, while the predator fits nicely onto one. JR and Avant helicopters are very nice pieces of engineering. but the parts count is enormous. bolts, bearings, and metal blocks everywhere. it makes the helicopter much more expensive to fix, longer repair times, heavier, and there is more to go wrong.

my old Vigor for example (which was nearly identical to the Vibe) had super tiny expensive and rare bearings, secured by super tiny bolts (that would strip easy), the bolts would have super tiny washers that put a trex 450 to shame. and they are everywhere. while this makes for a nice slop free smooth setup...if you have a mishap with the ground, all that is toast...have fun finding the parts you need, buying the parts, and putting it all together again. Two crashes with my old Vigor cost me well over $1000 EACH. The Vigor made me want to quit the hobby.

im not sure exactly how. but Century has managed to reduce the parts count in regards to redundant bolts and bearings and what ever other crap you dont need, and still have a smooth slop free control system.

now for the tail system. the front pinion is supported on both sides by a bearing, this prevents the shaft which the pinion is on from flexing and ripping your crown gear apart. the tail gears are not just metal, but they are helical cut which as super smooth and quiet. the stainless steel torque tube has dog bones on each end which make it more crash survivable...

i have crashed the predator twice, and i am still using the same torque tube. i even have a spare sitting ont he shelf because i assumed it was toast from the last crash, so i had ordered another one without even checking the original...turns out, i didnt need the new one.

the tail blades have two radial bearings AND a thrust bearing. this has been a stock setup since day 1. while other helicopters are only now getting thrust bearings...and most still dont. this thrust bearing in the tail grip gives you a super smooth and precise tail, something people in the FAI competitions would drule over years ago.

As for the flight characteristics. Like any other Century machine, it is extremely precise, stable in high speed flight, and very agile. you truly get the best of everything. most other helicopters, you either get to be super agile for 3D, OR super stable in high speed, not both.

i wont get into how good looking i think the predator is

So, yes, Ron's was correct when they said its an older design. But, its proven, and other manufacturers are only just catching up to the best features of the predator.

I would, in an instant, take a brand new predator out of the box, build it, and without a SINGLE upgrade or modification, throw it up against an Aurora, a 700, a Vibe, what ever you can think of.

should i keep going?

The only con i can possibly think of with the predator, is that the airframe is relatively cramped. Sometimes it can be a little difficult to work on simply because everything is so close together. But, this feature is part of what makes the airframe so much more rigid and light. everything that is there, is there for a reason.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Team HelixRC
10-09-2009 09:24 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE   GALLERY
 
 
CompyMike
Senior Heliman
Location: sacramento, ca

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
So all Predators are the same weight at a Trex 700?
10-09-2009 09:37 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   GALLERY
 
 
Furious Predator
rrProfessor
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
if they aren't the same, then they are very close.

my Predator, which is really a freestyle, has carbon frames, a local guy has a predator max, with metal frames.

both of our machines come in at about 10.5 pounds. the same as a local guy with a 700.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Team HelixRC
10-09-2009 10:00 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE   GALLERY
 
 
zackesch
Senior Heliman
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Furious Predator, thanks for the reply. Along with calling Ron's, I also called century corporate "before there were any replys in the thread" and the tech guy didnt even know there was a nitro version. he knew of the gas, but not the nitro. This was a shock to me because i have talked to other techs at century and they were VERY helpful. The new guy must be new. Anyway... What i ment to get to is that the new tech i talked to knew very little so it still left me curious to why the preditor is still a capable model, and your reply helped explain the diffrences.

Thank you.

Go easy on me, I'm new!
10-09-2009 10:07 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
imnxtc
Veteran
Location: Dawson

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
I think that the main reason that you do not see many Predator 90s around is simply because Century has not produced any for many years. It seemed that they were out for a couple of years and had just started to be recognized for being among the top performers when Century stopped producing them in the nitro 90 configuration (Max & Freestyle) and only continued with the Gas powered versions.

Steve9534 & FP hare correct, it was/is a great heli that was ahead of its time in may of its design areas. But it never got a fair shake because, IMHO, Century stopped making them before it had hit its stride

A great pity indeed.
10-09-2009 10:23 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
Furious Predator
rrProfessor
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
yes, unfortunatly it appears that the kit itself is no longer produced. my understanding is that Century has decided to focus on the gasser series.

i would be willing to bet that they would produce more kits in the future though...at least i hope so.

if you can get a kit, or even a used one, i highly recommend it. you will still be able to get parts for the predator for a very long time, especially since the 90 shares 99% of the same parts with the gasser.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Team HelixRC
10-09-2009 11:09 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE   GALLERY
 
 
zackesch
Senior Heliman
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
http://www.heli-world.com/searchres...px?categoryid=8

They look like their all available, but sold out.

Go easy on me, I'm new!
10-10-2009 12:05 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
Furious Predator
rrProfessor
Location: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
yeah, nothing is said at all about being discontinued on the century site either. it wasnt long ago that they made the NX version of the Predator.

Shawn
Team Leisure-Tech
Team HelixRC
10-10-2009 12:25 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE   HOMEPAGE   GALLERY
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
They have been sold out of the Predator Max for three or four years now. They keep it on their site because it has never been officially discontinued. As far as I know they have done so in case they decide to start production again.

It would probably be a newer version like the Preador NX gassers.
10-10-2009 03:28 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
zackesch
Senior Heliman
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
they also show the nitro in the adds up top in the century forum...im confused. why advertise for something and not produce it?

Go easy on me, I'm new!
10-10-2009 07:36 AM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
imnxtc
Veteran
Location: Dawson

My Posts This: Topic  Forum
Maybe if we push them hard enough they will implement the production of a new Predator MAX 90 NX.
10-10-2009 06:25 PM
PROFILE   PM   EMAIL   POSTS   BUDDY   IGNORE  
 
 
1 page205 viewsPOST REPLY
Experience RC . Heli-Max . Hobby Hut

.
.
Century Hawk - 50NX - Raven - Predator > predator 90
 Print TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Monday, November 23 - 10:18 pm - Copyright © 2000 - 2009 runryder.com | email | link to rr | START HERE | NF