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702nitro
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So who defines right and wrong?

If your sitting down on a chair reading a book, and someone from behind slaps you on the back of your head(for no reason), do we still need to analyze if that was the right or wrong thing to do?

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11-05-2009 12:11 AM

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the Wasp
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""If I asked you "Do you believe in Bigfoot?" and you responded with "No",
would your answer change if I asked you "Do you have faith that Bigfoot exists"?""

well my answer there would be you are right,, because Bigfoot will not save me from Hell, so even having Faith in Bigfoot is worth less !!!,,

so that would have nothing to do with Belief and Faith of God !!

I mean I love and believe in my Son, and I have Faith he will remain a good person the rest of his life,, but what Faith do I put in Bigfoot, that he sh!ts in the woods,, I think not !!!

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11-05-2009 12:16 AM

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baby uh1
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Most of man's law is based on the bible. Without them you have- Might makes right-survival of the fittest-law of the jungle.
Conditions under which most liberals wouldn't survive!

The pen is mightier than the sword, unless you're actually in a sword fight!

11-05-2009 12:47 AM

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mckrackin
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Most of man's law is based on the bible

That's backwards.The bible was written by a bunch of intelligent men for their time and they just compiled a bunch of ideas that they thought were right.So HUMANS were responsible for everything in the bible and the laws and basic idea of right and wrong was in place before that book came about.

11-05-2009 12:54 AM

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gian
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So HUMANS were responsible for everything in the bible

Yeah, but they want you to have faith that the message was delivered to them.

I think, if anything, God stands for "doing good". I am also sure that there is a natural, observable physical answer to where everything originates and where everything goes.

11-05-2009 01:01 AM

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baby uh1
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You guys got me there! I guess man's law evolved from ape law a long time ago. Even though it goes completely against everything that we know about human nature?

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11-05-2009 01:11 AM

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mckrackin
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So 2010 years ago people were just a bunch of cave man like savages running around bashing women in the head and raping them.Killing constantly and randomly.There were no human couples or families.Just chaos and blood.

Then along came J.C. and the world just snapped to.

Is that what your saying?

11-05-2009 01:27 AM

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702nitro
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Sharks,Lions,Hyenas,Wolves, Bees all read the bible too. If there was no bible everything would in chaos!

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11-05-2009 01:44 AM

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Dennis
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So 2010 years ago people were just a bunch of cave man like savages running around bashing women in the head and raping them.Killing constantly and randomly.There were no human couples or families.Just chaos and blood.

I wish I was back then. I would open a band aid business with all those swords poking people. I would be rich.

11-05-2009 01:48 AM

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baby uh1
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Mcracklin, You Sound like all of those people who think that the world was just a peace loving place before those scary guns were invented.

Also I didn't know that all of the bible just majically apeared 2010 years ago. I also thought that there was a section that was added after Christ but I guess it too just evolved overnight into what it became?

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11-05-2009 12:01 PM

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GMPheli
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According to the discovery channel, the bible was not written until 50 years after Jesus's death

11-05-2009 12:19 PM

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1stPlace
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But why?

Unlike the rest of the animal kingdom, humans have unrivaled intelligence and reasoning.

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Where are/were the standards laid out for what should or shouldn't be punished?

Archeology shows that approximately 800 years before Moses, written laws governed the people from the Persian Gulf to the Caspian Sea, and from Persia to the Mediterranean.

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Do you believe that as long as a person is acting within the law that they are still acting morally?

Nope, there's lots of immoral laws throughout the world. If we are to use the 10 commandments as a basis for law, Why would a "Christian nation" allow people to sell you anything on the Sunday? Do Christians get to pick which commandments they will actually adhere to?

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11-05-2009 01:37 PM

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hootowl
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Do Christians get to pick which commandments they will actually adhere to?

The Ten Commandments are more than a list of rules/morals.

They are a mirror of our lives. We break them daily. Doesn't mean the rules should not exist.

One of the reasons people want them removed from public places is they do act as a mirror of their lives... especially politicians and lawyers

. They cannot stand being reminded of their sins.

What do the Deetriot Lions and Billy Graham have in common?
They both can make 70,000 people stand up and yell, 'Jesus Christ'.

11-05-2009 01:57 PM

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1stPlace
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They are a mirror of our lives.

If that were true, than the following cannot be true.

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We break them daily.

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Doesn't mean the rules should not exist.

I like most of them. But a few of them are just silly.

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11-05-2009 03:01 PM

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hootowl
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When I say we break them daily it's a fact. Maybe just one, maybe one day without breaking one but highly unlikely.

How often do we break the third one when we say "God Dammit" or "Jesus Christ"

How often do we steal? Whether it's company time or taking things that do not belong to us?

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)

1 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2 You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

3 You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5 Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6 You shall not murder.

7 You shall not commit adultery.

8 You shall not steal.

9 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10 You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

11-05-2009 03:46 PM

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1stPlace
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When I say we break them daily it's a fact.

That's correct, which is exactly why they do not mirror our lives. But, Jesus died so that we can keep on sinning and be forgiven? What a divine excuse for bad behavior!

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11-05-2009 04:16 PM

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mckrackin
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Wasp...

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what if someone has good reason to believe God does not exist, yet he wishes he dose so he has Faith ??

You criticize me over a typo or misspelling while asking goofy questions like this?
And to top it off,you can't even spell "Does" ??

OK...I have good reason to believe I will not win the lottery.
However,I wish I would.Do I have faith that I will?

No.I don't play the lottery.

Wishing and having faith are two very different things.
If you have faith that god exsists,then that,by definition,means you believe in god.

Look up "Faith".
I'm pretty sure it'll say something like "Believing in something with no proof".

11-05-2009 06:03 PM

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hootowl
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But, Jesus died so that we can keep on sinning and be forgiven? What a divine excuse for bad behavior!

No, He died so you can live.

11-05-2009 06:19 PM

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Dennis
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Look up "Faith". I'm pretty sure it'll say something like "Believing in something with no proof".

You are partially correct:

FAITH:

Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide
Date: 13th century

1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/faith

11-05-2009 06:24 PM

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baby uh1
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The laws of the bible date from before Moses but this is from Wikipedia-

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According to recent theories, linguistic as well as archaeological, the global structure of the texts in the Hebrew Bible were compiled during the reign of King Josiah in the 7th century BC. Even though the components are derived from more ancient writings, the final form of the books is believed to have been set somewhere between the 1st century BC and the 4th century AD.

The texts were compiled in the 7th centuary BC but were written before that obviously.

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11-06-2009 01:46 AM

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