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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Radikal G20
 
 
chuck4040
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Location: Kirkville, NY

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Does anyone have any experience with this yet. It appears to fill an interesting niche - thanks for any insight on the build and flying characteristics.

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10-07-2009 01:34 PM
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helicenter
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Location: Winter Haven Fl.

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Radikal

As far as I know only the prototype guys, I should have mine in a week or so, as I posted before I should have a couple available at the Mulberry event for you guys to fly.Also I plan to be at Orlando and Jacksonville.

Doug
10-07-2009 02:07 PM
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neverhappy
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Location: Upstate,NY. USA

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can't wait for the reviews or for input from members here. I love my Predator and this looks to be a nice heli.

jeff

L10 hackerB5015L,CC 60 ampEsc, 550mm MS
Predator,Jewel,killer bee,231puh,wt-643,710mm,
10-09-2009 12:52 AM
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jrockstuart
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Location: Allen, Texas

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Got a picture?

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10-09-2009 03:01 AM
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neverhappy
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here's a link to century heli.
Check it out also there is a picture on the home page in the business section

Jeff

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10-09-2009 03:48 AM
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Fixit
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Location: UK

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Lots more info about the Radikal G20 on this thread

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t545284p1/

I only like to fly gassed up
10-10-2009 01:02 AM
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pgkevet
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Location: surrey UK

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..my immediate thoughts looking at those pics: that the flybar cage design is the same ..nasty plastic bits with a centre double-threaded ball holding it together.. a weak method that will allow potential twisting. Also the boom supports stuck on pillars to the side of the air frame without a centre support.. they're going to get ripped off in any incident again. And is that swash plate plastic?

While I can see many improvements over my P gasser; the experiences with the quality of it's basic kit and previous parts support and century will have to work a lot harder before they'll see me enthusiastic.

I support the comment made in that thread that there ought to be a kit option with the 'upgraded' parts as standard. Frankly there shouldn't be an 'entry level' version. There should just be a real version.

pgk
10-10-2009 08:21 AM
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CNCjunkie
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Location: Kauai (The Garden Isle), Hawaii - USA

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+1

I hate plastic parts. I would gladly pay more for a kit with CNC Alu parts over plastic any day.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
10-10-2009 10:25 AM
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imnxtc
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I hate plastic parts. I would gladly pay more for a kit with CNC Alu parts over plastic any day.

I partially agree with you. But there is more to it then just the generic term for what an oart is made of. There are better plastics an lesser aluminums.

I have "upgraded" some of my past top brand helis with metal parts from off brand suppliers only to find the original plastic parts performed better and lasted longer.

When I first built my Predator Gas, I was told to as some ugrades. But I thought I would build it stock and see how it flew...here I am, almost 300 flights later, and it is still using its original plastic parts!! About the only thing I have done is changed some ball links.

So if I were to make a statement relative to the two materials, I would say:

I will take a well designed and properly molded plastic part, made from quality plastic, over a poorly designed or machined aluminum equivalent made of the wrong grade of aluminum.

Of course if both are properly designed and manufactured then I would take the ali part if I thoufgt the extra cost was worth it. The key is that there are a number of areas in a heli that plastic will do as well as aluminum...and is some viberation absorbtion areas, maybe even better.
10-10-2009 06:39 PM
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imnxtc
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..my immediate thoughts looking at those pics: that the flybar cage design is the same ..nasty plastic bits with a centre double-threaded ball holding it together.. a weak method that will allow potential twisting.

Hmmm...they are the same as my Predator and Raven - I found that control yoke to have a lot less twisting then those in most other helis I have had over the past 20 some years. The key is to make sure you do not strip any of the threading and to use CA (not locktite) on these threads.

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And is that swash plate plastic?

Looks to have a metal inner star and either a anodized black metal outer star or a GRP outer starlike the 90 sized Hirobo Freya and some of the other 90 helis.

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Frankly there shouldn't be an 'entry level' version. There should just be a real version.

Interesting comment. I used to think along a similar line, until I saw a poll here, or in some other forum last year, that asked where the flyers where in their skill level. It seemed that 80% where at levels (and had been at those levels for a number of years and where happy to remain there and/or flew scale), so that they would not need a high-zoot version of any good heli.

That is why I think they should have different levels. For us that want it all - make a PRO level.

That said when I look at my new 50NX, all I wanted extra was their tuneable full metal head, so I added it. After doing so, even adding the cost as an upgrade, it still totalled less then a Vibe 50 or T600NSP (?) and others of similar ilk. So that is fine by me.

I see you live in the UK, so I can understand a bit of your frustration with the brand, as all reports I have heard of their distributor in your country have been not very positive. Maybe Century should look to change distributor.

I have had subscriptions to both UK heli mags since both their inceptions, and Century's UK distributor spend all their time and efforts selling low cost small electric knock-offs from China that have no association with Century USA at all, while using the Century name to do so. IMHO, Century USA should not allow them to do that.
10-10-2009 06:53 PM
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pgkevet
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I don't think a century distributor here could survive just on selling century stuff.. so it's reasonable to sell other kits to make profit..using the century name on them isn't on though.

My experince with the flybar cage has been contrary to yours and I had to upgrade to the ally one for my Predator.. and I'm not terribly happy with the plastic tail box..more from the mesh of the gears in there and their robustness.. hard to assess them in that closed case.. similar problem to minair.. have to work by feel.. and had the first ones wear fast.

An open box may be a crap-trap but at least a visible crap-trap

pgk
10-10-2009 08:53 PM
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jrockstuart
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Plastic = Sucks

Always and Forever More...

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10-10-2009 09:00 PM
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CNCjunkie
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Location: Kauai (The Garden Isle), Hawaii - USA

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Jrock, you're too funny...

I agree with you imnxtc, in that some aftermarket CNC parts can be problematic. Poor quality, fit and finish can end up being worse than the stock part. I tend to stay away from the aftermarket products and stick to upgraded parts offered by the OEM.

For me it's more form than function and more peace of mind. As an example, I dislike plastic blade grips, they just don't make me feel safe. I realize todays parts made of glass and carbon filled nylon plastics are quite strong and parts have been designed and tested for the loads put on them, but I just feel better with metal.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
10-10-2009 09:21 PM
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helicenter
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plastic

Plastic is a pretty broad term, are you aware that Mercedes has been using a lot of PLASTIC components in the suspension system since 1985, Boeing uses plastic in some of the control systems. Maybe some of us will have plastic stuff in our body or joints to keep us going.

Doug
10-10-2009 10:14 PM
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SeismicCWave
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We just get so emotional when it comes to opinions. I hate this, I hate that. No wonder why the world is full of hate. Where is the love men? You are blaming those people that wants to bomb us to smithereens?

Grow up children. Let's not be so negative. How about I just love CNC parts. I just love metal forging.

Well, that said, I love plastic. That's why my helicopter has so little vibrations. I have learned from 20 some odd years ago that when you crash those lovely little metal parts bend. They bend so little bit that you thought you still have a good part. However all those little bends make your helicopter vibrate.

When my plastic part bends, they bounce back to shape so I either have a broken part or a good part.

As far as what to trust, that's again is entirely personal. Do you trust that person that tie the bungee to your leg when you do a bungee jump? Do you trust the person that pack your parachute? Do you trust the assembly worker that put the brakes together in your car?

Yes, you shouldn't trust plastic pieces. The Air Bus uses plastic for their rudder post and they crashed a couple of them because the post gave up.

I don't trust anything any of you said. That's just the way I am. You shouldn't trust anything I said either.
10-10-2009 11:12 PM
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CNCjunkie
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The only thing I'm emotional about right now is the fact that the island is currently blanketed in bursting rain clouds and I can't go out and play!

As for metal or plastic? I'm just a junkie for CNC. Doesn't my handle tell all?

It's all good brah, to each his own...

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
10-10-2009 11:24 PM
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SeismicCWave
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>>The only thing I'm emotional about right now is the fact that the island is currently blanketed in bursting rain clouds and I can't go out and play!<<

Sorry to tell you that Hilo has one of the sunniest day of the year right this moment.
10-10-2009 11:35 PM
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CNCjunkie
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Then why aren't you out flying?

Luckily it's rare when the entire day is like this.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
10-10-2009 11:48 PM
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SeismicCWave
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>>Then why aren't you out flying?<<

I was, and am and will.

I fly in my backyard. I had a flight this morning. One more right after lunch and now waiting for the sun to cool off a bit to do an AP flight.
10-11-2009 02:17 AM
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the Wasp
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""nasty plastic bits with a centre double-threaded ball holding it""

I have been flying Century's 30s/50s for 8 years now, and I have crashed them 18 times, yes I have broke parts but not once have I had those double-threaded balls pull out, or any other screw for that matter, Century's Plastic IS tough for sure,, and I have ran Head Speeds as high as 2200 and have had no Twisting as you also suggest,,

""Also the boom supports stuck on pillars to the side of the air frame without a centre support""

well if you look close you will see there IS a Center Support !! it's the tray ..


as for Metal vs Plastic, there are some parts I like Metal and other Parts I like Plastic..

Jim
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10-11-2009 02:56 AM
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