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broggyr
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Location: Naugy, CT

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Hovered mine too! Still needs a lot of work, having trouble with the transition from low to high, but it flies...

[EDIT]: Removed stupid video

- Brian
irony [ay-ruh-nee', ay-er-nee'] adj.: Like goldy or bronzy, except made of iron
10-08-2009 02:28 PM
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pgkevet
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Location: surrey UK

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		..there's some very brave people about...

pgk
10-08-2009 03:06 PM
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broggyr
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Location: Naugy, CT

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		...or very stupid...

Not very bright in hindsight...

- Brian
irony [ay-ruh-nee', ay-er-nee'] adj.: Like goldy or bronzy, except made of iron
10-08-2009 03:07 PM
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rbort
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Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		OMG, LMAO!!

Are you shtting me? You're too funny man!

Next time if you want to fly it inside at least stand outside 25 feet away, ok? Being backed up in a corner is not the best option should it decide to go crazy on you with the radio...

Hey bring it to the heli phenomenon tomorrow or this weekend if you want me to take a look at it for you.

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
Spectra-g, G26 3DMax, 870+ flights
10-08-2009 04:06 PM
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broggyr
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Location: Naugy, CT

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Must have brainfarted because I don't have the Jewel installed LOL

Next time will definitely NOT be inside like that. Amazing what goes through your mind AFTER you do something like that.

- Brian
irony [ay-ruh-nee', ay-er-nee'] adj.: Like goldy or bronzy, except made of iron
10-08-2009 04:10 PM
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CNCjunkie
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Location: Kauai (The Garden Isle), Hawaii - USA

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Amazing what goes through your mind AFTER you do something like that.

A lot of blood...

Glad to see you didn't get maimed. That could have ended up badly for you. These machines can and have killed.

Just another crappy day in Paradise....Aloha!
10-08-2009 04:55 PM
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rbort
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Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Incidentally

Try to richen the low end a 1/16th of a turn as I see its stumbling and won't throttle up plus the tail is ultra smooth and there are no burps indicating its not rich.

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
Spectra-g, G26 3DMax, 870+ flights
10-08-2009 05:02 PM
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lejon
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Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		LMAO after reading your comment.

CNC your statement is one where " a sentence is worth a thousand pictures"


Brian, not to mention the fumes from the exhaust will get you if you run it too long. Although very dangerous and should not be laughed at or taken lightly, you Sir are too funny.


Lejon
10-08-2009 06:50 PM
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broggyr
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Location: Naugy, CT

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		At least the fumes wouldn't have gotten me; the garage door was open

It's bad how I didn't think of the bad things that could happen until I looked at it and wondered "WTH was I doing?"

You would think I'd've learned from the 'stupid videos' I've seen & commended on, but apparently not.

You can bet I won't be doing this anymore.

- Brian
irony [ay-ruh-nee', ay-er-nee'] adj.: Like goldy or bronzy, except made of iron
10-08-2009 07:35 PM
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broggyr
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Location: Naugy, CT

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Raja:

Good call on that low needle setting. My problem was I thought the transition was covered solely by the high needle - no wonder that had no effect on the stumbling. You must be am expert with these things! (yes, I am joking! I have seen many posts by you lol).

I fired it up tonight (in the yard!) and had no problems what-so-ever with the transition. It even idles nicely now, too. I think replacing the rubber thingy in the carb (with the flaps to cover the holes, etc) helped. Now, gotta look at the plug and see its report

I initially bought a WT-603 carb after reading some online information, but it has the half-moon cutout that you refered to somewhere else - throttle cut had no effect; had to remove the fuel line to shut it down. Transition was nice, but had to put the old carb back in so I could use throttle cut. I couldn't even swap out the butterfly valves, as one is larger than the other.

Maybe I'll get some hover practice in on Sunday - hope the weather holds out.

Don't know what I would do without you & xcellgasman101.

- Brian
irony [ay-ruh-nee', ay-er-nee'] adj.: Like goldy or bronzy, except made of iron
10-09-2009 01:30 AM
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rilandtg
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Location: Waldorf, MD USA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Thank you CNCjunkie, " A lot of blood", my stuffy nose is now clear! Amazing how diet coke will do that. I will have to change my shirt now but the laugh was worth it.
10-09-2009 06:32 PM
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pcinc
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Location: Westfield, MA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I got a chance to run it again today and I must be really close to being spot on with the needles. I gave the low a tiny bit more to the rich and it shuts down perfect. When flying around in forward flight it sounded like it was riding on the edge of transition between the low and high so I gave the high needle just a whisker more to the lean side.This was enough to get it to transition smooth and also produced a bit more power. After letting it set a bit to start it up, it takes 2 pulls with the chock on and one more pull with the choke off and she's running. I put the throttle trim in the middle and this is perfect for a smooth idle with the clutch not engaged. I got a cuple good flights in and it ran super smooth the whole time with plenty of power and back to a nice smooth idle when I land it. Killing the motor is now just lowering the throttle trim all the way down and it shuts down every time. I pulled the plug to check it out and it's a little dark brown. I think it's still just a tad on the rich side but it's running good and starts up perfect so I'm going to leave it where it is for now. I'm going to pick up a new plug and see how it looks after a couple more tank fulls through it. Can anyone recomend what plug to get for it. The one that's in there is not clear but it looks like a B-R4. I can't make the whole number. The other gasser I have (I haven't set it up or run it yet) has a CJ6 in it. I have my timer set for 20 minutes and still have over 1/4 tank when I land. What a difference from my 8 - 9 minute flights with my nitro Heli and to boot I'm still in my first $5.00 of fuel. Man I'm loving this gasser deal so far!
The only thing not quit right now is the gyro. I have a 401 with a 9254 and I'm running a JR9303 with a Specktrum 9 channel AR9001 Rx. I have the gyro sensor plugged into aux 2 and the gyro set to auto in the gyro menu. I'm up to 95 for the gain setting and it seems high to me. The tail is holding good in flight and in a hover with a side wind today. When I give it a power climb out, it wants to turn to the left. It holds it after it turns but when I let off it turns back to the right.When doing the climb out, it doesn't want to keep turning. It turns about 45 degrees and then it holds it while still under power then comes back when I get off the power. I tried uppin the gain to 100 and it did not make any difference.
Anybody have any suggestions on this?

Thanks,
Peter
10-12-2009 03:19 AM
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xcellgasman101
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Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		NGK CMR-7H
Champion 7
Just make sure that they have the resitor built in,, Both work good,, XGM/VGM

Torque might be what your problem, are you running 95 or 105mm tail blades???

Congrats on tunning and getting your 1005 in the air,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
10-12-2009 12:45 PM
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pcinc
Senior Heliman
Location: Westfield, MA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Thanks xcell,
I've always liked the NGK plugs over the Champions so I'll try and get those.
I forgot to mention I had someone tack the headspeed for me yesterday. I was a little surprised at what I had. i thought I would be too high but it turns out I was to low. My Normal throttle curve was 0-19-INH-23.5-INH-27.5-100 and it gave me a head speed of 1400RPM. I bumped it up to 0-20-INH-24-INH-28-100 and that gave me 1490. I should go another .5 on all points and it should give me a head speed of 1580 I think that's a good speed to be at for my Normal curve. What do you guys think? My numbers seem to be a little higher than most to get that head speed.

Peter
10-12-2009 01:52 PM
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xcellgasman101
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Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Peter, your well on your way to flying a great gas heli,, you understand the process very well.. Congrats,,

1580 is ok for normal,, I have mine at 1650, normal, 1750 Idleup 1, and 1850 in idleup 2,, But thats me, and Im running the Hanson Pro Plus 260, When I was running the 231, I had a higher HS in all modes with it,, As far as your curves being higher than most?? No two helis will ever have the same excate curve, I have 5 gassers all together, and none of them are the same,, Sounds like you have things figured out just fine,,, Keep at it,, and don't forget to take a look at the plug every now and then,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
10-13-2009 01:35 AM
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xcellgasman101
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Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

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0-20-INH-24-INH-28-100


Are you sure that's correct?? the second INH, would be around 60 or so?? wouldn't it?? it should be something like
0-20-22-24-26-28-100?? XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
10-13-2009 01:40 AM
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pcinc
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Location: Westfield, MA

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		I put the 2 INH in so while adjusting my T-curve I would have 2 less to deal with. I don't really understand what your saying when you refer to the second INH being 60????? If I remove the INH's it would be a straight line between the "20" and the "28" points and the second INH would be 26.
I got a chance to sneak in another flight after work yesterday. Two pulls with the choke on and it started. If I'm quick enough to slide the choke lever off, it stays running and just let the motor warm up a bit while I carry it out to the flight line.I got a nice 20 minute flight in. Everything was good and smooth and the only issue was the tail thing on climb outs. I read on another forum somebody had a very similar issue and the solution for them was to rebind the Rx with the radio set to HH.So I figured I would give it a shot. The tail did hold better but still does it's 45 degree turn on climb outs. I had a pretty good side wind going and can hold a perfectly steady hover with the wind blowing right at it's side. I finished out the tank and put it up on the bench just to check things over. First thing is 20 minutes when the timer on my radio went off and I still have 1/4 tank of fuel in it. i now know what Raja has been talking about with gasser flight lengths! I also think I found what's causing the tail to move turn on climb outs. I can move the tail shaft side to side about 1/9 - 3/16 of an inch when I hold it at the blade grips and give it a push-pull. I haven't had a chance to look and see what's in there for spacers or shims, but I'm thinking that there should be very minimal movement on this shaft. When I move it through the play the linkage is holding and the angle blades move. This can't be a good thing. I'll get into it tonight after work and see what I find.

Peter
10-13-2009 10:55 AM
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shawmcky
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Location: Isle of Wight,United Kingdom

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Check your headspeed too

If your headspeed is too low it could be causing the tail to drift.

Team- unbiased opinion,no experts here just trying to help thats all.K.I.S.S principle upheld here
10-13-2009 11:08 AM
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rbort
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Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		To do list

Definately take out the slop in the tail shaft. You just need to take the tail rotor case apart and make sure the crown gear is pulled all the way back to press the bearings against the inner sides of the case. If by doing so the mesh of the gears is too loose, then you'll need to add a shim between the bearing that is closest to the tail rotor and the case which will bring the gear in more to mesh with the other gear.

INH between points just defaults to the center between the two points, so Broggy you are correct that would be 22 and 26 for the two INHs that you have.

G231 motors usually need more throttle than G26 motors. I forgot but if you are using a G26 the curves will be lower than a person using a G231.

G231 motors burn 20% less fuel than modified G26's.

Target your headspeed to be 1560 in normal, 1680 in idle up 1 and 1800 in idle up 2. That's a good range and you'll find that you can fly 3D very well in the medium speed, I only use the high speed when I'm booking it up and down the runway as fast as she goes. And don't forget nothing wrong with using the normal mode speed. I spent 20 minutes last night flying backwards in normal mode 5 feet over the runway practicing my turns to make sure they are perfect and that the tail is leading the way and I'm not skidding around the corners. Could I have done it in idle up 1 or 2? Sure, but why? I'm not doing 3D just low slow flight and with the lower head speed it sounds better to my ears when its close like this and there is no reason to turn it up for nothing.

Make sure that EVERY TIME you power up you do so in heading hold mode otherwise the 401 will not initialize properly. This means that if you look at the 401 when you power up it should blink and then give a solid red light. If it continues to blink then it failed to initialize properly. Once you get the solid red light, turning the switch on the TX to normal mode makes the light go out, turning it back to Heading hold makes the light go back on. Moving the rudder stick also makes the light go on and off, but that is not useful information. The important thing is for you to have it initialize solid on, and I usually find the rudder dual rate switch on people's TX by flipping switches until I see the light go off. This is all before you start the engine. After flight it will not behave this way and may blink even in heading hold, but don't worry about that.

-=>Raja.

1005 Gasser, G26 3DMax++, 2205+ flights
Spectra-g, G26 3DMax, 870+ flights
10-13-2009 03:36 PM
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xcellgasman101
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Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

My Posts This: Topic  Forum		Well I learned something new today,, I thought that if you left the INH alone, it would stay at it's pre determend point, say you have
0-25-50-75-100, or (0-INH-50-INH-100) point 2 and 4 if INH would stay at 25 and 75 so if I had a curve that looked like 0-25-then lowerd 50 to say 30 and left 75 INH it would stay at 75, because you always want the last point to always be 100,, I hate to say this but this is where Aceturd graphs would come in handy, But what your saying is it automaticaly changes the point to what ever is in between the two points?? Cool,, I have to take a look (Closer) at my curves and see it that is how it is set,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
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10-13-2009 06:09 PM
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