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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > Starting to loose interest

Entityofme1
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between clutches and 5 broken flybar cages and links always wearing out fast making the machine sloppy all the time.

so i went back to a synergy for reliability. i never had one issue before when i had my synergy. fuel and fly and repeat over and over.

now the synergy needs to be put together correctly and it will never let you down. pretty much bullet proof.

everyones just getting to used to aligns pretty much like a jigsaw puzzle and easy to build. which isnt a bad thing at all.

but when someone builds a higher end heli they bash them cause , well they really dont have the skills or right tools to built them properly.

I agree completely. My FBH synergy is in all respects bomb proof in the air. The balls simply do not wear out and it stays slop free gallon after gallon after gallon. Yes the synergy does require some TLC to build and I had my fair share of frustrations ( proper mesh issues like stripped crown gears, tail gears, foaming fuel tank, clutch alignment, sprag bearing cap not being tight enough) and at times wanted to move on to a different machine. Now after owning it for 7 months I have to really say I've learned the in's and outs of building and maintaining it. Once the machine is built correctly it will take everything you can throw at it and will perform very reliably. I think alot of people simply do not give the N9 a fair chance and never are rewarded by it or learn to enjoy what it has to offer. It's not a turn-key throw it together heli like other manufacturers. The new hyper tail gears literally make the machine impervious to any issues related to aggressive tail flying and can last upwards of 100+ flights. The N9 is a great machine and if the goals are met with the popularity and satisfaction Matt and Todd believe will be obtained through the N5 there are plans to redesign the N9.

10-06-2009 04:40 PM

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thenewguy
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I always find it interesting about the cheap prices of Align. A good friend of mine bought a Trex700 and has crashed it because of faulty part.

So how much money do you really save when you buy a cheaper heli and it falls apart in the air because of the parts.

Inkspot hit the nail on the head with this "what it all comes down to is what your wallet and flying skills can afford , them make your choice from there......."

I also agree with everything Entityofme1 had to say.

The Synergy does need a redesign and to be upgraded in several areas. Just to bring the stock kits up to par.

Helico-pteron what was you crash cost?

Chris

10-06-2009 04:41 PM

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bkervaski
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Yea, the N9 can certainly take a beating and simply doesn't wear out.

I simply don't see how the bearings don't wear out -- but they don't -- unless I crash, lol.

I love my Synergy 9.5!!!

10-06-2009 04:49 PM

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Helico-pteron
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Helico-pteron have you priced your crash out yet?

Just about $500 w/o blades.

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10-06-2009 06:42 PM

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Helico-pteron
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The gear prices are ridiculous. It can be mitigated somewhat if you use the Hyper metal tail gears which ironically are almost the same price as the stock plastic ones. I saw where someone was running one plastic and one metal. I wonder if this type of setup would save the crown gear in a crash.

I will be doing this shortly.

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10-06-2009 06:43 PM

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Helico-pteron
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The fact that N9s are so unique, I won't be selling either one. I love them too much, but I do like to gripe. Especially when I crash.

The only two crashes I've had all summer with the N9's and they are two weekends back to back.

One lost in the sun and one from an unintentional blades stop(oops).

Ya, I talk about maybe getting T700, but I won't. I'll end up sticking it out since nothing flies like a N9.

A lot of great things have been said in this thread about the N9 and they are all true. Never had an issue with it, nothing fails, nothing wears out. It's runs like a tank, flies like a feather.

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10-06-2009 06:56 PM

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airboss
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there are a lot of nice 90 size helis on the market , but , there is only one called the N9

and its the only heli in my hanger ! I know how you feel about the parts costing too much , but look at it like this ,its not a raptor or a trex , its a SYNERGY ! the best design in RC helis I have seen ! simple , strong ,and powerfull

so get a trex and we will all watch you suffer

if your banging up helis every weekend then maybe you should be flying a smaler heli to save $$$.

OCRM....flyBlackstarr.org.

10-06-2009 07:12 PM

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creightoncarr
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bkervaski - I simply don't see how the bearings don't wear out

You have to fly them first

I'm Creighton Carr and I approve this message.

10-06-2009 07:13 PM

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Helico-pteron
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Yup, if you are crashing alot, N9 not.

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10-06-2009 07:14 PM

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jasnlemons
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what it all comes down to is what your wallet and flying skills can afford , them make your choice from there.......

I totally disagree with this statement. A synergy will not make you a better pilot. It has nothing to do with how much money you spend. Pros can fly a shoebox and make them look good. It comes down to wanting to enjoy the hobby and for me was spending more time flying than more time getting the thing set up. I can't stand having to spend hours and hours aligning a clutch. It is crazy.

The synergy does fly good but it is heavy and has way to high of a part count. Just my opinion.

Fly it like you stole it!

10-06-2009 08:30 PM

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Helico-pteron
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I can't stand having to spend hours and hours aligning a clutch. It is crazy.

Only takes 15-20 minutes, tops.

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10-06-2009 08:51 PM

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thenewguy
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To high of a part count, am I missing something here.

If you are spending a hour dialing a clutch you might try a different technique.

Again this has been discussed about the setup on the Synergy here in this forum, it's not for everyone.

Chris

10-06-2009 09:02 PM

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inkspot1967
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I totally disagree with this statement. A synergy will not make you a better pilot. It has nothing to do with how much money you spend.

that is not what i said there, you choose a heli by what you can afford and can build and if your someone who crashes alot then maybe its not for you

i never said it will make you fly better

Crashing hitting the ground is easy...Hitting the windsock takes skill..!
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10-06-2009 09:06 PM

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Shawn Pierce
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thats so true mike, i have one, i can afford it but I still suck! lol

10-06-2009 09:21 PM

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Helico-pteron
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thats so true mike, i have one, i can afford it but I still suck! lol

Maybe you should spend more time aligning the clutch?

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10-06-2009 09:22 PM

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Ironhide
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I'll say this , its not just Synergy with the fan hub problem . I just got a 09 RJX 50 . It has the same great double collet crap . Got her within .002 in a half in hour just because I forgot my tricks .All good now !

I try not to get overwhelmed with these things . The Synergy is more of a precision machine . IMHO these kits are about building them for me .

I compare the Synergy to Align like a Ferrari to a Corvette . Both great machines , both hold there own but the Ferrari is a more redefinded POS .

Someone said something about parts being the same price after 5 years . I have to agree ! The molds are paid for , come on already .

10-06-2009 09:23 PM

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bkervaski
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Clutch alignment is simple on this machine, how would it take hours??? 3 minutes max.

10-06-2009 09:38 PM

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twinpeak
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I agree with many here, that the N9 flies great and is pretty durable once you invest another couple of hundered dollars and overcome many headaches, but: my Hirobos, Henseleits and Minicopters fly great out of the box and for the later 2 as good as all spares are cheaper than for the N9.......
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10-06-2009 09:40 PM

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mylee
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It's a model for pilots who want a bit more exclusitivity than the average machine

+1 That's why I kept flying my trusty old Raptor 90 when everyone else was jumping on the 700 boat. Just putting together a Synergy now

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jasnlemons
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I guess that I was doing it wrong but I took a new clutch out of the bag from rons and Spent a couple of hours trying to get it in tolerance. I am not the best with dial indicators so I was back and forth trying to get the shaft with in 0.02 in three places. Bottom, middle and tip. That is how some one spends hours dialing in a clutch. But out of the bag new it was way off.

I am a very technical person so helis don't scare me but after a few weeks of trying to buy up spares and seeing how you have to buy the parts piece by poece I said the heck with it.

The only big advantage I saw was backwards inverted flying. The N9 was more locked in than my 700 but thats about it.

I guess I have been spoiled by the ease of building the aligns. LOL

Fly it like you stole it!

10-06-2009 10:28 PM

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